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« on: November 14, 2011, 03:04:56 AM »

Semi-inspired by the California thread, I decided to make the following maps. These are based off of the 2000 census.

The first map shows the source of native-born American migrants to Washington with raw numbers. Ranges from dark green (Californians at 487,848) to dark red (Vermont at 2,717). I chose 60,000 as a mid-point (yellow).





The second map is per capita. To give an example, there are 574,308 natives of North Dakota living outside of North Dakota. 59,842 or 10.42% live in Washington. The scale ranges from dark green (Oregonians at 31.31%) to dark red (West Virginians at 0.67%). I believe I chose 3.00% as the mid-point (yellow). Unsurprisingly, this is largely a map showing proximity to Washington, but it gives a much more accurate picture of how many small state emigrants (from states like Wyoming and Alaska) come to Washington.




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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 11:24:30 AM »

Very interesting! 

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 04:10:19 PM »

We don't want them Southerners anyway! Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 04:22:32 PM »

Semi-inspired by the California thread, I decided to make the following maps. These are based off of the 2000 census.

The first map shows the source of native-born American migrants to Washington with raw numbers. Ranges from dark green (Californians at 487,848) to dark red (Vermont at 2,717). I chose 60,000 as a mid-point (yellow).





The second map is per capita. To give an example, there are 574,308 natives of North Dakota living outside of North Dakota. 59,842 or 10.42% live in Washington. The scale ranges from dark green (Oregonians at 31.31%) to dark red (West Virginians at 0.67%). I believe I chose 3.00% as the mid-point (yellow). Unsurprisingly, this is largely a map showing proximity to Washington, but it gives a much more accurate picture of how many small state emigrants (from states like Wyoming and Alaska) come to Washington.




It appears that it picks up the navy connection, with a bit more migration from Virginia and Florida than neighboring states.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 06:51:59 PM »

Maybe... I would compare Washingtonian emigrants, but unfortunately the data makes it clear there was some two-Washingtons confusion in D.C., which probably messes up the data for VA and MD as well. Florida has the 8th most Washingtonians, though.
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 07:46:59 PM »

Awesome maps! California immigration is quite impressive.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 07:11:43 PM »

Interesting that coastal New England sends more people to Washington than the rest of the Northeast.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 09:59:00 AM »

Interesting that coastal New England sends more people to Washington than the rest of the Northeast.

Tech industry? That wouldn't explain R.I. or Maine, though.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 12:13:57 PM »

Everyone knows in Oregon to jump the ship before it's too late! We are starting to die the same slow and painful death as California so your map does not surprise me. After all, didn't like our biggest company, Nike, jump ship to Washington lately? Ya things are wonderful in my state!

I bet if you did the same map with Idaho, you would see Oregonians also jumping ship to that state as well. Now that I think on it, I know several family members that have migrated to Washington and Idaho recently. I might be one of them very soon. But hey! A Washingtonian can't complain, our grief is making your state richer ;p
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 12:28:59 PM »

Everyone knows in Oregon to jump the ship before it's too late! We are starting to die the same slow and painful death as California so your map does not surprise me. After all, didn't like our biggest company, Nike, jump ship to Washington lately? Ya things are wonderful in my state!

I bet if you did the same map with Idaho, you would see Oregonians also jumping ship to that state as well. Now that I think on it, I know several family members that have migrated to Washington and Idaho recently. I might be one of them very soon. But hey! A Washingtonian can't complain, our grief is making your state richer ;p

I haven't seen any indication of any kind of exodus from Oregon to Washington.  I guess you could compare historical emigration rates to different states to find out.  Oregon's population growth is just fine, though, so the hypothesis seems a little improbable to me.

BTW, welcome to the Atlas! Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 04:51:15 PM »

Nike is still headquartered in Oregon.

And this is only inward migration to Washington. Some Washingtonians live in Oregon, of course. But we still have more Oregonians due to the fact that a big chunk of suburban Portland is in Washington.
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 06:53:19 PM »

@Alcon You're right, we're probably leaving and getting new population to replace who ever is leaving. And thank you.

@bgwah Could of sworn some big company just left the state, but my memory is rusty, it could have just been a threat that they weren't going to fulfill. I often forget Portland area so you are most likely correct.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 08:20:47 PM »

Just to ask, why is Oregon not doing well?

Why does the economy seem to be so much worse there than WA/metropolitan CA?
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2011, 08:26:52 PM »

Just to ask, why is Oregon not doing well?

Why does the economy seem to be so much worse there than WA/metropolitan CA?

Most of CA isn't doing well either.
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 08:45:44 PM »

Just to ask, why is Oregon not doing well?

Why does the economy seem to be so much worse there than WA/metropolitan CA?

Most of CA isn't doing well either.

hence the metro CA, like LA/SF/SD areas.
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2011, 09:07:48 PM »

Just to ask, why is Oregon not doing well?

Why does the economy seem to be so much worse there than WA/metropolitan CA?

Most of CA isn't doing well either.

hence the metro CA, like LA/SF/SD areas.

Most of CA lives in a metro area of some sort.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2011, 09:15:57 PM »
« Edited: November 16, 2011, 09:20:45 PM by sbane »

LA county unemployment is about the same as the state IIRC. SD, SF and San Jose have lower unemployment, though I think it's about the same as the country. Of course it's inland California that is near depression status.

Surprisingly, California's growth rate the last few years has been in the 2nd quintile. Correct me if I am wrong. It's not good, but it's not the worst either. Yet it's unemployment rate rose at a much greater rate than the country. It seems like employment has gotten hit worse in California than actual economic growth. Which makes sense since the tech industry wasn't hit so hard, and it's a sector that creates a lot of economic growth without a lot of employment. Other industries like construction or trade create more jobs while contributing the same amount to GSP.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2011, 09:24:44 PM »



So yeah... San Jose-Santa Clara-Sunnyvale Met GDP growth was 13.4% in 2010 but employment only picked up by 1%.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2011, 09:26:10 PM »

I have seen that map before, but where can I see the actual numbers? 13.4% is insane!
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2011, 09:39:52 PM »

I have seen that map before, but where can I see the actual numbers? 13.4% is insane!

If you have Excel go to the Table 2 Sheets.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2011b/xls/gdp_metro0211b.xls
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2011, 09:50:18 PM »

I have seen that map before, but where can I see the actual numbers? 13.4% is insane!

If you have Excel go to the Table 2 Sheets.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2011b/xls/gdp_metro0211b.xls

Thanks! Looks like it had the highest growth rate of any metro of comparable size. It wasn't even close actually. Pretty surprising if you ask me.....
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2011, 03:37:01 PM »

Also interesting: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/gsp_newsrelease.htm



Oil is booming in North Dakota.
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2011, 04:28:28 PM »


Barring the middle column of states. A lot of the top-performers were on the bottom for the 2008-2009 GDP map.
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2011, 04:58:14 PM »


Barring the middle column of states. A lot of the top-performers were on the bottom for the 2008-2009 GDP map.

Yeah a fast drop also leads to a fast upswing.
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