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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2011, 05:46:51 PM »
After 200 MP's: YES 104 NO 96

Sky News is reporting that all the rebels have so far not rebelled
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2011, 05:49:57 PM »
After 250 MP's: YES 128 NO 122
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2011, 05:53:22 PM »
Papandreou has confidence! Cheesy
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2011, 05:53:34 PM »
Final Vote (after 297 MP's)
The government has my confidence 153
The government does not have my confidence 144

Government WINS
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2011, 05:55:39 PM »
But this is by no means the end of the crisis. It could even be the calm before the storm.
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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2011, 06:00:54 PM »
Word is that a PASOK-LAOS-DESY coalition will be formed.

Has a centre-left/centre-right/far-right nationalist coalition governed anywhere in the world in history?
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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2011, 06:05:12 PM »
Quote from: EternalCynic on November 04, 2011, 06:00:54 PM
Word is that a PASOK-LAOS-DESY coalition will be formed.

Well in some sense it's good news. The right-wing governments will not be afraid to kick in the teeth of the unions (which needs to be done if Greece is to stay in the euro) and provide the votes needed for tough reforms. And if things go bad, they will share the blame. At the same time the presence of PASOK within the coalition should hold the line on any unnecessary excessiveness.

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For some reason it reminds me of the National government in Britain from 1931, when what's his face with the Moustache jumped the ship.
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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2011, 06:07:36 PM »
Wow, governing with the Nazis. I wonder how Papandreou's remaining fan club will take this.
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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2011, 06:10:22 PM »
It kind of reminds me of the way the Cartels des gauches and Front populaire all collapsed because the Radical-Socialists weren't interested.
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« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2011, 06:13:57 PM »
November 17 is the traditional day for left-wing demonstrations. Brace yourselves, it will get ugly.
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« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2011, 06:37:57 PM »
Any why aren't ND wanting to join the government? Now that would be a true "Government of National Unity", or can they just not be bothered with sorting their mess out?
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« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2011, 06:46:09 PM »
They want an election for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2011, 08:21:25 PM »
What the hell is DESY??
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« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2011, 08:26:37 PM »
Okay, these people are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Alliance_(Greece)

Was I the only one who did not know? This is why I hate these threads sometimes.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2011, 04:11:47 AM »
Quote from: EternalCynic on November 04, 2011, 06:00:54 PM
Word is that a PASOK-LAOS-DESY coalition will be formed.

What... the... hell ?
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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2011, 04:16:01 AM »
Quote from: Teddy (SoFE) on November 04, 2011, 08:26:37 PM
Okay, these people are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Alliance_(Greece)

Was I the only one who did not know? This is why I hate these threads sometimes.

I didn't know either, and like you ran immediately to wikipedia. Of course!
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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2011, 05:39:30 AM »
But Wikipedia did not have the answer. It calls the party DA, and it took me 10 minutes of searching to dig up DISI.

I feel like a fool/idiot when I resort to english names, or when I simplify, but clearly I'm not the only one who gets lost here.
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2011, 07:27:41 AM »

Basically all the parties that can be convinced to join in, I suppose. Whatever happens it won't be around for long.

Regarding the likely elections, does Greece still have that absurd rigged-PR system?
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2011, 03:11:56 PM »
That says a lot about both ND and the Greek left... and all of it is true.
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2011, 03:12:47 PM »
Quote from: Brother Sibboleth on November 05, 2011, 07:27:41 AM

Basically all the parties that can be convinced to join in, I suppose. Whatever happens it won't be around for long.

Regarding the likely elections, does Greece still have that absurd rigged-PR system?

According to Wikipedia, Greece will be using an even more rigged system this time.
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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2011, 12:21:05 AM »
How is the Greek system more rigged than Italy?
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2011, 05:08:02 AM »
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Greece
Under the current electoral law of "reinforced proportionality", any single party must receive at least a 3% nationwide vote tally in order to elect Members of Parliament (the so-called "3% threshold"). The law in its current form favours the first past the post party to achieve an absolute (151 out of 300 parliamentary seats) majority, provided it tallies about 41.5% of the total vote. This is touted to enhance governmental stability. The previous law (applied in the 2004 legislative elections) was even more favorable for the first party. The current electoral law reserves 40 parliamentary seats for the "first past the post" party or coalition of parties, and apportions the remaining 260 seats proportionally according to each party's total valid vote percentage. This is slightly higher than the raw percentage reported, as there is always a small number of invalidated or "blank" votes (usually less than 1%), as well as the percentage of smaller parties that fail to surpass the 3% threshold, all of which are disregarded for the purpose of seat allotment.

Italy
The present electoral system, approved on December 14, 2005, is based on party-list representation with a series of thresholds to encourage parties to form coalitions. It replaced an Additional Member electoral system which had been introduced in the 1990s.

The block voting system is nationwide-based for the House, and regional-based for the Senate. Italy is divided into a certain number of districts for the Chamber of Deputies, whereas each Region elects its senators. Each district is assigned a number of seats proportionate to its total of the population of Italy. The winning coalition receives at least 55% of the seats on national level in the House, and on regional level in the Senate, while the remaining seats are proportionally divided between minoritarian parties. For the House, seats won by each party are then allocated at district level to decide the elected candidates. Candidates on the lists are ranked in order of priority, so if a party wins for example ten seats, the first ten candidates on its list receive seats in parliament.

The law officially recognizes coalitions of parties: to be part of a coalition, a party must sign its official program and indicate its support for the coalition's candidate to the prime-ministership.
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2011, 01:01:15 PM »
Quote from: Teddy (SoFE) on November 06, 2011, 12:21:05 AM
How is the Greek system more rigged than Italy?
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2011, 03:31:58 PM »
Breaking News
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Greek PM will not lead new coalition government
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2011, 04:19:17 PM »
Quote from: Harry Hayfield on November 06, 2011, 03:31:58 PM
Breaking News
(Source: EuroNews)

Greek PM will not lead new coalition government

Expected, but still, a shame.
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