Opinion of "Occupy Wall Street"

[Insula Dei]

It's a shame that a few good men got lost and ended up in the middle of the freak show. Look at how angry they are!

Uhm, I hope that's irony, because if there's one thing OWS is lacking in, it's anger.

[Keystone Phil]

Please note: Tea Partiers are "dangerous" but when the Invaders say that violence will be necessary to achieve their goals...well...it's just more of Phil's anecdotes!

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/11/occupy-l-a-speaker-violence-will-be-necessary-to-achieve-our-goals/


Definitely a movement of peace.

You're only being obtuse or trollish by trying to make this about prejudice against the Tea Party.

This is about taking bits and pieces of certain movements and labeling the entire group. I'm being as trollish as any of the other jokes around here that post pictures of misspelled, extreme and/or racist signs from Tea Parties. Of course, some of you have finally admitted that maybe treating all Tea Partiers like rabid dogs isn't exactly fair but many others have only dug in.

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This is about taking bits and pieces of certain movements and labeling the entire group. I'm being as trollish as any of the other jokes around here that post pictures of misspelled, extreme and/or racist signs from Tea Parties. Of course, some of you have finally admitted that maybe treating all Tea Partiers like rabid dogs isn't exactly fair but many others have only dug in.

I would not call a multi year published peer reviewed Harvard study indicating that Tea Party members are more likely to be uncomfortable with members of other races "taking bits and pieces."  Tea Party members in general tend to be white, racist, and want a theocracy in America.  So says published research.  Not just a mindless troll on the internet.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html

Take a break from listening to Rush Limbaugh and watching Fox Noise.  Read some peer reviewed studies and you may actually avoid making these blunders in the future.

[fezzyfestoon]

I for one don't hate people for how much money they have. Then again, I also don't hate people for supporting differing causes.

Great! Neither do I. I'm so glad you're on our team, fighting the Scumbaggers!

I'm convinced you're trolling now.

Not sure how I'm trolling. He's free to correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Fezzy was implying that I hate people because of the money they have (which is hilariously ironic considering the movement I am criticizing in this thread) and hate those that support differing causes (which is asinine but I guess it's easier to just say "Well, you hate everyone that disagrees with you!").

Hahaha how you come to conclusions about what happens around you is beyond me. There must be some kind of twisted-ass route from your eyes reading the posts on here to your fingers typing a response. Your entire post was 100% dedicated to ripping me based ENTIRELY on my family's wealth. Then the response to the situation is that I'm trolling for claiming you hate people for their income? What the hell else were you doing, pray tell?

Then there are the people you disagree with. WHAT is your problem with this movement? And how is it any worse than the Tea Party? From the starting block your thing with these people is that opposition to the Tea Party somehow deserves to be lashed out at with infantile rage and the OWS is going to be the recipient. There was never any ideological conversation once you arrived with your usual rage and delusion. The conversation was exclusively about ridiculing people for their views.

I really, truly don't understand the disturbing issues that come out of you on the internet and I'm hoping that you have a better handle on what's going on around you and in your head than it appears you do when you post on here. It bothers me so much that within 5 of my posts, I complain about the discourse you bring to discussions and then somehow continue to allow myself to get sucked into your anti-intellectual tornado.

I really want to talk about this movement if there's anyone else here that still wants to do hold a conversation with me after my part in this nonsense.

[fezzyfestoon]

Yeah, that does bring up an interesting point. There was a poll done of OWS protesters (that I can't seem to find now) that showed quite a range of demographics being present. When it's time to actually vote, it'll be a whole new issue. Being that so much of this movement is based on opposing the very structure of Washington, I'd think it would be hard for them to find candidates consistent with their cause. All political motivations aside, there may not be a genuine champion against corruption, especially not on Wall Street, that isn't of the far-left persuasion. Wall Street's tentacles of power and just so enmeshed in our political landscape now. Massachusetts will certainly be a very interesting tell-tale of what's important to who.

[fezzyfestoon]

There may not be a genuine champion against corruption, especially not on Wall Street, that isn't of the far-left persuasion.

Would Roemer fit this description? Or his he just not important enough?

(The Paul/Johnson right-libertarian crowd might deserve some mention, too, on the anti-corruption front.)

I don't really know, I don't know much about Roemer. But the libertarians could be the choice, good point. Paul doesn't seem too into this movement though. But there have apparently been supporters of him at the protests. Hopefully this grows enough that they can become a voting bloc like the Tea Party so we can analyze what they're thinking politically (not likely with the news organization polls). I would expect there to be some significant libertarian support though. Paul in particular does seem to fit the bill in a lot of areas.

The other thing is that poll I referenced also notes a 55% abstention rate from the 2010 elections. This may become an outside movement removed from specific political discourse. In a way it already looks that way. Much of what they're saying doesn't pertain to positions as much as opposition to the process and structure altogether.

[Keystone Phil]

Your entire post was 100% dedicated to ripping me based ENTIRELY on my family's wealth. Then the response to the situation is that I'm trolling for claiming you hate people for their income? What the hell else were you doing, pray tell?

It's pointing out your hypocrisy.

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I've stated from the beginning that I disagree with their Ransom Note ("List of Demands") and their behavior at these rallies. I'm sorry that you didn't bother to read this in one of my opening posts. Typical for a spoiled brat like yourself.

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When you're done ranting about me, of course.

[Keystone Phil]

 Tea Party members in general tend to be white, racist, and want a theocracy in America.

Uh. Haha, yeah, ok. I'm not going to take this serious anymore.

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Wow. Your ignorance is really showing. I am known for disliking FOX news (always have, for the record) and the only time I listen to Rush is for entertainment. I frequently mock him, Hannity, etc. and those that take their word as gospel.

You're dismissed now.

[Boris]

The fraternity culture is deeply flawed (especially in the south), but I cannot help but love it.

[phk]

OWS = Rich Hipsters armed with Macbooks

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

What I find amazing is that there are people who not only like the idea of free-market capitalism (unsurprising; it's probably most people in this country), but who are so attached to it that they refer to anybody who DARES vocally oppose it as 'scum'. I wonder if Phil is even this disdainful of people who disagree with him on his actual religion.

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Tea Party members in general tend to be white, racist, and want a theocracy in America.

Uh. Haha, yeah, ok. I'm not going to take this serious anymore.

Whether you take it "serious" or not doesn't change the fact that it is true.  I get my FACTS about politics from peer reviewed publish journal articles, not partisan hack internet trolls.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html?_r=1

I post this information for people to read and come to there own conclusions.  I notice there is a dearth of links to peer reviewed articles backing up your ludicrous assertions in this thread.  I wonder why?

[Keystone Phil]

I post this information for people to read and come to there own conclusions.  I notice there is a dearth of links to peer reviewed articles backing up your ludicrous assertions in this thread.  I wonder why?

I think you need to look up the definition of "theocracy" and "racism." You can continue to post blurbs in red font but that doesn't make it true.

You know what other party is overwhelmingly white? The Republican party. Is that an inherently racist organization, too? I've asked people this before; people that say that the party has many racists yet they can't bring themselves to say that the party is inherently racist.

I don't see many blacks involved in the Scumbagger movement. Are the Invaders racist, too?

I can at least applaud you for backing off the ridiculous assertion that I'm a FOX News/Rush fan.

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I think you need to look up the definition of "theocracy" and "racism." You can continue to post blurbs in red font but that doesn't make it true.

Nice.  Only a Republican would say people that had "a low regard for blacks" were not racist.  We are finding out more and more about you, Keystone Phil.

[Keystone Phil]

I think you need to look up the definition of "theocracy" and "racism." You can continue to post blurbs in red font but that doesn't make it true.

Nice.  Only a Republican would say people that had "a low regard for blacks" were not racist.  We are finding out more and more about you, Keystone Phil.

Right. "Low regard for blacks"...even though Herman Cain is probably the most popular Tea Party figure. Or is he not a real black, Link? Or are the racists supporting him as part of a complex, racist scheme? Please explain it and post it in red so you think you're making a better point.

[phk]

That is not a peer-reviewed article (lol).

[Keystone Phil]

Also for Fezzy: please point out how I could possibly be attacking your family for their wealth. How could I be attacking the Invaders for unfairly attacking those that are well off then attack your family for being rich?

My point in mentioning your family's wealth is that if many of these people weren't incredibly hypocritical, they'd be calling for your head, too.

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That is not a peer-reviewed article (lol).

Nope its not.  Its an op ed piece from the authors about their study.  Sometimes authors discuss their findings with newspapers, at conferences etc.  They are not mutually exclusive.

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Please explain it and post it in red so you think you're making a better point.

Okay, one more time.  Here are the findings of the study...

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Here is what your response was...

I think you need to look up the definition of "theocracy" and "racism." You can continue to post blurbs in red font but that doesn't make it true.

sickening.

[Keystone Phil]

...without giving us any background on what the questions and answers were. Also, you still don't understand what a "theocracy" is. Sickening. Aggravatingly ignorant. Predictable.

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Also, you still don't understand what a "theocracy" is. Sickening. Aggravatingly ignorant. Predictable.

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http://blog.au.org/2011/08/17/poisonous-brew-beware-of-the-tea-party%E2%80%99s-theocratic-kool-aid/

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http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/2010/07/meet-the-theocratic-tea-party-and-its-inner-city-prayer-warrior-cousin.html

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http://www.care2.com/causes/tea-party-evolution-less-libertarian-more-religious-right.html#ixzz1aazI5MfZ

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http://atheism.about.com/b/2010/09/04/theocratic-tea-party-out-of-the-closet.htm

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http://www.examiner.com/tea-party-theocracy-in-portland

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http://marcovilla.instablogs.com/entry/the-tea-party-calls-for-theocracy/

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http://politicsandpucks.blogspot.com/2010/05/tea-party-advocates-theocracy-for-uk.html

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http://www.yesumulungi.com/index.php/commentaries/440-seeking-a-theocracy-us-evangelicals-fully-embrace-tea-party-politics.html

[Keystone Phil]

Yes, please post more links from heavily biased ("Atheism.about.com") websites, blogs, editorialized headlines and more people that don't understand what a theocracy is.

[Link]

I think you need to look up the definition of "theocracy" and "racism." You can continue to post blurbs in red font but that doesn't make it true.

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http://underthemountainbunker.com/2011/08/17/new-study-that-will-make-teaparty-members-even-angrier-then-they-are-now/

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Christ. Reading all this back and forth sh**t is depressing. How long are the lot of you going to keep this up?

Anyway, my history teacher, Democrat, claims the Occupy Wall Street crowd are "workin' class people", to which my response was "Um, I'm not sure, but how would working class people have the time to occupy wall street?" to which he abruptly ignored me and moved on.

I don't really care about the movement, and that is my basis for not having voted in this thread before. I tend to view them as whiny, though that's my knee jerk reaction. I'm pretty sure my history teacher is hoping it'll turn into the Left's tea party. We shall see.

[Napoleon]

Protesters breaking city laws when camping overnight.