Al Gore 2008

[Democratic Hawk]

I don't think he'll pull a Nixon.

I agree - besides the Democrats need a new standard bearer

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

Ah so you would want the Democrats to nominate a man who is far from the party mainstream just so you can appeal to the masses. That is when I know the party system has failed. I wish both parties would just nominate people who support the views of their party not some moderate who has the best chance of winning.

I dare say Democratic voters, as a whole, are moderate rather than liberal, which makes Bayh more representative of the Democratic electorate than many prominent liberals within the Democratic Party (hence Bayh is mainstream) Even Hillary is running to the centre, but Bayh's the more genuine article.

Moderates are the single largest plurality of the US electorate. The future of the Democratic Party lies in the ideological centre. My vision in one where a moderate majority governs in the interests of all Americans and not merely the left and the right

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

I get so sick of the idea of a "political moderate."

Evan Bayh is a liberal. John McCain is a conservative. John Edwards is a far left Democrat. I have no problem with liberals, just as long as they have the guts to admit they are one.

There are no moderates, ever in U.S. history.

Funny, 45% of the electorate define themselves as ideological moderates. If there are no "moderates" then are you saying they must be moderately liberal or moderately conservative or are they merely suffering from some kind of 'false ideological consciousness'?

Ideology often flies contrary to common sense. When people speak of an the ideological centre its not a figment of their imagination

Politics is politics. There's is nothing black and white about it - just an infinite number of shades of grey

Dave