2012 NDP leadership convention

[RogueBeaver]

Union quotas: Topp v. Mulcair. Those are staying, though perhaps reduced. Even Blair couldn't junk them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-solidarity-cracks-over-role-of-unions-in-picking-leader/article2153405/

As expected, Chow won't run.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/olivia-chow-wont-seek-late-husband-jack-laytons-job-of-ndp-leader/article2153517/

What role should labour play?

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Wanting to vote for a particular candidate for party leader is, perhaps, not the greatest reason to join a political party.

That's the main reason anyone joins parties in Canada (that and nomination contests)

It's interesting how different our two political cultures are. Over here, signing up members for this purpose would be called branch stacking and is heavily frowned-upon (and often criticised in the media and by people whose opponents have signed up many new members).

Your system also makes it illegal for anyone to lead a party if he does not have a seat. That person must instead be the head of the "election team"

[minionofmidas]

Smid, if I remember well, here, in some parties, to be a candidate to the investiture in a riding, you must sell a fixed number of memberships.

Wow.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

We should really look at moving to an open primary system using party registration. Wont happen though, as our way means $$$ for members.

[Хahar 🤔]

We should really look at moving to an open primary system using party registration. Wont happen though, as our way means $$$ for members.

That wouldn't be possible; the Canadian party system just doesn't work like that.

[Hatman 🍁]

Union quotas: Topp v. Mulcair. Those are staying, though perhaps reduced. Even Blair couldn't junk them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-solidarity-cracks-over-role-of-unions-in-picking-leader/article2153405/

As expected, Chow won't run.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/olivia-chow-wont-seek-late-husband-jack-laytons-job-of-ndp-leader/article2153517/

What role should labour play?

One member, one vote period. If they have the convention in January, then I would support weighing votes by province or something.

As a political geographer, my hope is that they release the votes by province- at least - so that I can make maps.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Any chance of them being released by riding?

[Hash]

I think 2003 Tory results were released by riding, so maybe they'll do likewise.

[Hatman 🍁]

I think 2003 Tory results were released by riding, so maybe they'll do likewise.

They are released by riding because that's how the votes are counted.

The NDP never releases votes for nomination contests, and I would say are very unlikely to have even provincial results. They will probably released the Labour (Affiliated) vote however, if there is one (as they did for 2003).

[Peter the Lefty]

Any chance of a re-launch of the Quebec NDP?  I mean, considering that it will probably be like a heartland for them from now on, (unless they suddenly see a collapse in Quebecois support) federally, it makes little sense not to have a provincial NDP in Quebec. 

[RogueBeaver]

Any chance of a re-launch of the Quebec NDP?  I mean, considering that it will probably be like a heartland for them from now on, (unless they suddenly see a collapse in Quebecois support) federally, it makes little sense not to have a provincial NDP in Quebec. 

We already have two social democratic parties in Quebec: PQ and QS. Even federalist social democrats vote PQ.

[MaxQue]

Any chance of a re-launch of the Quebec NDP?  I mean, considering that it will probably be like a heartland for them from now on, (unless they suddenly see a collapse in Quebecois support) federally, it makes little sense not to have a provincial NDP in Quebec. 

We already have two social democratic parties in Quebec: PQ and QS. Even federalist social democrats vote PQ.

I know none federalist social democrat supporting PQ. They support QS or are big supporters of Legault thing.

And anyways, Marois' PQ isn't social democrat. It has no other ideology than chasing votes, now.

[RogueBeaver]

Any chance of a re-launch of the Quebec NDP?  I mean, considering that it will probably be like a heartland for them from now on, (unless they suddenly see a collapse in Quebecois support) federally, it makes little sense not to have a provincial NDP in Quebec. 

We already have two social democratic parties in Quebec: PQ and QS. Even federalist social democrats vote PQ.

I know none federalist social democrat supporting PQ. They support QS or are big supporters of Legault thing.

And anyways, Marois' PQ isn't social democrat. It has no other ideology than chasing votes, now.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but I still don't see any Quebec NDP. We haven't had any provincial branches of federal parties since the PLQ became independent in 1964.

[MaxQue]

Any chance of a re-launch of the Quebec NDP?  I mean, considering that it will probably be like a heartland for them from now on, (unless they suddenly see a collapse in Quebecois support) federally, it makes little sense not to have a provincial NDP in Quebec. 

We already have two social democratic parties in Quebec: PQ and QS. Even federalist social democrats vote PQ.

I know none federalist social democrat supporting PQ. They support QS or are big supporters of Legault thing.

And anyways, Marois' PQ isn't social democrat. It has no other ideology than chasing votes, now.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but I still don't see any Quebec NDP. We haven't had any provincial branches of federal parties since the PLQ became independent in 1964.

I neither see a Quebec NDP. But I have to correct you, NDP had a provincial branch in Quebec in the 80's, I think.

[Peter the Lefty]

Well, that's too bad.  At least it's nice to see that some potential Quebecois alternatives to Mulcair are emerging.  But are there any potential candidates who are from the more moderate wing of the party, but would still firmly oppose a merger with the Liberals?  If I were Canadian (and an NDP member, since that's where I'd fit ideologically), I'd probably support them.

[MaxQue]

Well, that's too bad.  At least it's nice to see that some potential Quebecois alternatives to Mulcair are emerging.  But are there any potential candidates who are from the more moderate wing of the party, but would still firmly oppose a merger with the Liberals?  If I were Canadian (and an NDP member, since that's where I'd fit ideologically), I'd probably support them.

Mulcair?

[RogueBeaver]

Speaking of the Hon. gentleman from Outremont, more on how Layton's inner circle hates his guts.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/09/05/don-macpherson-ndp-leadership-drama-is-worthy-of-shakespeare/

[MaxQue]

Speaking of the Hon. gentleman from Outremont, more on how Layton's inner circle hates his guts.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/09/05/don-macpherson-ndp-leadership-drama-is-worthy-of-shakespeare/

Well, perhaps the problem is Mulcair.

But perhaps the problem is Layton's inner circle? Who are they, first of all?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Eh, people at the top of political parties never get on. There are always factions of some sort or other; it isn't even necessarily a bad thing.

[Hatman 🍁]

Total BS.  The media is trying to make stuff up.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Any chance of a re-launch of the Quebec NDP?  I mean, considering that it will probably be like a heartland for them from now on, (unless they suddenly see a collapse in Quebecois support) federally, it makes little sense not to have a provincial NDP in Quebec. 

We already have two social democratic parties in Quebec: PQ and QS. Even federalist social democrats vote PQ.

I know none federalist social democrat supporting PQ. They support QS or are big supporters of Legault thing.

And anyways, Marois' PQ isn't social democrat. It has no other ideology than chasing votes, now.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but I still don't see any Quebec NDP. We haven't had any provincial branches of federal parties since the PLQ became independent in 1964.

I neither see a Quebec NDP. But I have to correct you, NDP had a provincial branch in Quebec in the 80's, I think.

There was also a provincial PC Party that captured a whole 1% of the vote in that election between the end of the UN and the beginning of the ADQ.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

All this melodrama around the leadership, who likes who, who does not, who is nice, who is a grouch, who was close to who, and all the while, no talk about real policy at all.

It's almost... American.

Still. Topp has not convinced me he is a Quebecois. Sanganash might have "the stuff" to beat Mulcair if he can get off the ground; he's not a Quebecois, but he is a Quebecker, and if any party is going to elect Canada's first Native leader, it would be the NDP.

Julian might be able to sell himself as Quebecois as long as he can have a lot of French people introduce him and say his name without the N like how they always use to call Paul Martin, Paul Martai

[Hatman 🍁]

Catherine Clark interviews Thomas Mulcair (2009): http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&pagetype=vod&hl=e&clipID=2690

Mulcair seems charismatic, sensible and moderate. Not brash, tempered or angry like others suggest. I think this is the Mulcair we are most likely to see run for leader, and hopefully become the next PM of Canada

[MaxQue]

Sanganash might have "the stuff" to beat Mulcair if he can get off the ground; he's not a Quebecois, but he is a Quebecker, and if any party is going to elect Canada's first Native leader, it would be the NDP.

Saganash is more than a Québécois than Mulcair. Saganash was an outspoken supporter of Quebec Independance before.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Your opinion does not count since you live in Quebec It's all about what the middle-class-uneducated-white-anglo-ontarian-western-canadian-NDP-members think