Israeli Defense Minister: Iran wouldn't attack Israel even if it acquired nukes.

[tpfkaw]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hok9O7h60VNJgS_fJrGKmOmJBffA

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Wow, some rare sanity from the Israeli government for once.

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well, it's Barak, what else is new?  But, he couldn't give a reason why he thought that.

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anyone willing to test Barak's intuition?  how about his decision when he was PM to abandon the Lebanon buffer zone?  how did that work out?

the problem with Barak is that time and time again he has failed to understand the intentions and motivations of the other side.

he is a man of failed half solutions and failed half messures, who doesnt recognize that the will of the majority of Muslims hasn't changed since 1948.  They have no intention of co-existing with a Jewish state - they never have and never will.

[danny]

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Basically he contradicts himself and calls himself irresponsible, What an idiot, I just hope that after the next elections he will be gone from politics for good.

edit: made my point clearer

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What a useless guy, I just hope that after the next elections he will be gone from politics for good.

basically, he doesnt understand religion

[Lief 🗽]

Wait, so, the neocons believe that once Iran has a nuclear weapon, they will immediately launch it at Israel? And then what? Just wait for the world to completely annihilate them?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

The people leading Iran are not rational.  They do not think in terms of their own survival, political or otherwise.  They think in terms of eliminating Israel, whatever the effect is on them.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Wait, so, the neocons believe that once Iran has a nuclear weapon, they will immediately launch it at Israel? And then what? Just wait for the world to completely annihilate them?

nice strawman

[Lief 🗽]

The people leading Iran are not rational.  They do not think in terms of their own survival, political or otherwise.  They think in terms of eliminating Israel, whatever the effect is on them.

That's nice Israeli propaganda, but it's simply not true. Their foreign policy can largely be explained as realpolitik responses to their position in the world.

Wait, so, the neocons believe that once Iran has a nuclear weapon, they will immediately launch it at Israel? And then what? Just wait for the world to completely annihilate them?

nice strawman

Okay, so they'll wait a year? Why not destroy Israel ASAP?

[Хahar 🤔]

The people leading Iran are not rational.  They do not think in terms of their own survival, political or otherwise.  They think in terms of eliminating Israel, whatever the effect is on them.

lol no

Seriously, what would make you think this?

[Insula Dei]

The people leading Iran are not rational.  They do not think in terms of their own survival, political or otherwise.  They think in terms of eliminating Israel, whatever the effect is on them.

Yeah, Iran's leaders are all barking mad, which is why they're one of the most  influential players in the region.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yeah, Iran's leaders are all barking mad, which is why they're one of the most  influential players in the region.

Well it's not as if the Middle East is full of stable minded leaders.

[Insula Dei]

Yeah, Iran's leaders are all barking mad, which is why they're one of the most  influential players in the region.

Well it's not as if the Middle East is full of stable minded leaders.

Ultimately most leaders in the region know quite well what they're doing. Those that don't tend to get pushed aside or blown up, if they don't get a US invasion on their plate, like the actually pretty barking mad Taliban.

[Link]

The people leading Iran are not rational.  They do not think in terms of their own survival, political or otherwise.  They think in terms of eliminating Israel, whatever the effect is on them.

Yeah, Iran's leaders are all barking mad, which is why they're one of the most  influential players in the region.

Sounds like our Congress.

[Stranger in a strange land]

The people leading Iran are not rational.  They do not think in terms of their own survival, political or otherwise.  They think in terms of eliminating Israel, whatever the effect is on them.

None of the Iranian Leadership's actions indicate that they are suicidal. Iran would get glassed if it nuked Israel, and they know it.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

None of the Iranian Leadership's actions indicate that they are suicidal. Iran would get glassed if it nuked Israel, and they know it.

But do they care?  I don't think so.

[Хahar 🤔]

None of the Iranian Leadership's actions indicate that they are suicidal. Iran would get glassed if it nuked Israel, and they know it.

But do they care?  I don't think so.

Why would you not think so? What part of the actions of the leaders of Iran have not been completely rational? Demonizing Israel for political gain is how they keep the support of the masses. You're an idiot if you think they're irrational.

[dead0man]

Yeah, the masses in Persia are racists.  Sad really.

[Lief 🗽]

Yeah, the masses in Persia are racists.  Sad really.

The masses in all countries are racists, deado.

[dead0man]

Most of them don't require their leaders to call for the destruction of another country though.

[republicanism]

What part of the actions of the leaders of Iran have not been completely rational? Demonizing Israel for political gain is how they keep the support of the masses.

I basically agree with that. The rulers of Tehran have built them self a state where they enjoy all privileges - why would they destroy that?

On the other hand, it is completely understandable that Israel doesn't want to rely on the rationality of the Mullahs. If someone tells you everyday that he wants to destroy your country and people, if he arms terrorist groups that fight against you, and is building even more powerful weapons, than you should be alert.

Rationality and realpolitik, once again.

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look, there are no test cases for the rationality of the Iranian leadership, for they dont yet have the means to justify suicide of their nation.

my test is whether or not their ACTIONS match their BELIEFS and WORDS.  So far, they are doing EXACTLY what their beliefs and words would indicate.  To attempt suicide of the Islamic state before having the means to destroy Israel is contrary to those beliefs - that the destruction of Israel would herald a new world order based on Islam and usher in the return of the 12th Imam.

For one to say that at some point the actions of the Iranian leadership are NOT going to match their beliefs and words, is really baseless and is whistling in the dark.  Because if they are TRUE BELIEVERS, they will do as their beliefs dictate, because, believe it or not, some people are willing to die for what they believe in, whether it be a Christian willing to die in order to simply preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ or a Muslim willing to die to destroy Israel.  Those who think the Iranian leadership can't be serious, really do not understand the power of religion.

Period.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Most people - and this includes politicians, even ones who are technically 'clerics' - are perfectly rational from their own point of view. The issue is that this may look extremely irrational to someone with a different idea of what rationality is.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Most people - and this includes politicians, even ones who are technically 'clerics' - are perfectly rational from their own point of view. The issue is that this may look extremely irrational to someone with a different idea of what rationality is.

yeah, I'm sure belief in the destruction of Israel and a world based on Islamic rule, in order to bring about the return of the 12th Imam seems "perfectly rational from their own point of view".

Let me put it to you this way - If you had a neighbor on your block saying such things against you, would you give him the opportunity to load a gun and point it at you in the hope that he really isnt serious, or would you put a bullet in his head if he even reached for a gun?