Which of these border states do you consider part of the south?

[Hitchabrut]

I consider VA, WV, and KY parts of the south, although I'd dispute NoVA, Western WV, and Parts of Northern KY.

[Alcon]

Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky.

Southern Delaware is just farming, and is a weird area - the same goes for rural Maryland. Kentucky is DEFINITELY south. So is southern West Virginia. Northern is increasingly so.

[nclib]

Definitely not Maryland.

The two southern counties of Delaware are somewhat southern, but DE as a whole cannot be considered southern because the majority of the population lives in New Castle County, a suburb of Philadelphia.

VA is still southern despite the existence of NoVa.

Kentucky is pretty southern, but I wouldn't place WV as southern because it resembles the Rust Belt in some ways.

[Sam Spade]

NOTA.  Oklahoma.

[danwxman]

Believe me...rural MD is just as much the "South" as Alabama. Same with rural parts of South Central Pennsylvania. It's hard to define the South just by states.

[Erc]

Frederick, MD is definitely part of the South.  As are the regions east of Chesapeake Bay, I'd assume.  It's just that the Mighty Northeast has reached down I-95 to Alexandria and split the state in two.

[??????????]

Option 2.

[J. J.]

KY and VA.  WV is getting there, but I'm not that ready to call it "Southern" just yet.

[minionofmidas]

Believe me...rural MD is just as much the "South" as Alabama. Same with rural parts of South Central Pennsylvania.

South Central Pennsylvania was never much influenced by the South. It's just that Appalachia was at one point strongly influenced by Pennsylvania, and other parts of Pennsylvania have changed a lot since.
Option 1. MD and DE are former slave states with sizable rural Black populations. There couldn't be a better definition of what a Southern state is, if rural KY, WV and MO hadn't been abandoned by Blacks well-nigh entirely in the mid-20th century.

[??????????]

Believe me...rural MD is just as much the "South" as Alabama. Same with rural parts of South Central Pennsylvania.

South Central Pennsylvania was never much influenced by the South. It's just that Appalachia was at one point strongly influenced by Pennsylvania, and other parts of Pennsylvania have changed a lot since.
Option 1. MD and DE are former slave states with sizable rural Black populations. There couldn't be a better definition of what a Southern state is, if rural KY, WV and MO hadn't been abandoned by Blacks well-nigh entirely in the mid-20th century.

Thank you for recognizing that fact Lewis.

[danwxman]

Believe me...rural MD is just as much the "South" as Alabama. Same with rural parts of South Central Pennsylvania.

South Central Pennsylvania was never much influenced by the South. It's just that Appalachia was at one point strongly influenced by Pennsylvania, and other parts of Pennsylvania have changed a lot since.
Option 1. MD and DE are former slave states with sizable rural Black populations. There couldn't be a better definition of what a Southern state is, if rural KY, WV and MO hadn't been abandoned by Blacks well-nigh entirely in the mid-20th century.

You'd be surprised how many confederate flags I see in some of the rural areas around here. I heard someone say that they saw more confederate flags in Perry county (a few miles north of here) then they ever saw in the South. Also remember, many of the towns (even Gettysburg) had a lot of Southern sympathizers during the Civil War.

[minionofmidas]

Believe me...rural MD is just as much the "South" as Alabama. Same with rural parts of South Central Pennsylvania.

South Central Pennsylvania was never much influenced by the South. It's just that Appalachia was at one point strongly influenced by Pennsylvania, and other parts of Pennsylvania have changed a lot since.
Option 1. MD and DE are former slave states with sizable rural Black populations. There couldn't be a better definition of what a Southern state is, if rural KY, WV and MO hadn't been abandoned by Blacks well-nigh entirely in the mid-20th century.

You'd be surprised how many confederate flags I see in some of the rural areas around here. I heard someone say that they saw more confederate flags in Perry county (a few miles north of here) then they ever saw in the South. Also remember, many of the towns (even Gettysburg) had a lot of Southern sympathizers during the Civil War.

Not a contradiction. These 1860s people probably had lots of relatives down south. But it's those Southern relatives who had moved recently, not the Pennsylvanians.
Nowadays, people over there probably get told often enough that they are Alabamans that they've started believing it themselves.