SENATE BILL: The Protection of Personal Choice Act (Law'd)

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

In that case, I would oppose the bill. It would really defeat the whole purpose of the legislation. If I'm understanding this correctly, we simply go from making smoking illegal in public places to only making it illegal in federally owned buildings. I can't support that because I'm an obvious freedom hater. I will support the bill sans Jbrase's little addition.

No, it's not just federally owned buildings. It would also include all buildings in Nyman and in  territories outside the regions.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

In that case, I would oppose the bill. It would really defeat the whole purpose of the legislation. If I'm understanding this correctly, we simply go from making smoking illegal in public places to only making it illegal in federally owned buildings. I can't support that because I'm an obvious freedom hater. I will support the bill sans Jbrase's little addition.

No, it's not just federally owned buildings. It would also include all buildings in Nyman and in  territories outside the regions.

That's what I thought. What's the point of adding it? Purely for clarification purposes?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In that case, I would oppose the bill. It would really defeat the whole purpose of the legislation. If I'm understanding this correctly, we simply go from making smoking illegal in public places to only making it illegal in federally owned buildings. I can't support that because I'm an obvious freedom hater. I will support the bill sans Jbrase's little addition.

No, it's not just federally owned buildings. It would also include all buildings in Nyman and in  territories outside the regions.

That's what I thought. What's the point of adding it? Purely for clarification purposes?

Decentralization. It leaves smoking policy within the regions up to the regional gov'ts.

Imagine passing a bill in the US that applied only to Federal gov't, DC, and the territories but didn't apply to the 50 states.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amendment 44:17 has now passed. A vote on Amendment 44:19 is now open, Senators please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[CatoMinor]

That's what I thought. What's the point of adding it? Purely for clarification purposes?

It is one last attempt to fix the largest problem I have with the current law. The Senate is legislating where it doesn't belong, where regions and local governments should be making the call on whether or not to ban certain things. This amendment gives you your ban in certain places, and protects the Region's rights to run their own affairs. If you want a ban in the IDS there is nothing stopping you from petitioning for a referendum on the matter, I would even sign it.  

[CatoMinor]

Aye

[Bacon King]

I urge Senators to vote against the current amendment- it is essentially repealing all existing smoking restrictions in non-Federal territory.

[bgwah]

abstain

[Ban my account ffs!]

Nay.

I believe the amended bill without Jbrase's amendment is a good compromise that allows adult smokers to enjoy their smoke indoors in public establishments without affecting children and non-smokers.

It is the only way to ensure that everybody's rights are protected.. business owner, non-smoker, and smoker alike.

[CatoMinor]

I urge Senators to vote against the current amendment- it is essentially repealing all existing smoking restrictions in non-Federal territory.

As I have said before, if you want a smoking ban nothing is stopping you and Duke form getting a referendum on the matter in the IDS, I would be more than glad to sign your petition to bring it to a vote.

 And your statement is only half true, it would only end federal restrictions in the regions, not regional and local.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I believe this amendment would turn the Bill into a toothless tiger.

[Napoleon]

I urge Senators to vote against the current amendment- it is essentially repealing all existing smoking restrictions in non-Federal territory.

That isn't true at all. The Northeast and Mideast have smoking bans in effect at the regional level.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Nay

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Nay, srry Napoleon.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Just as a reminder, we are voting on Amendment 44:19, which is at the top of the previous page at the bottom of the first post.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nay

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Current status of the Amendment:

Aye (2): JBrase and shua
Nay (5): AHDuke99, Antonio V, Fuzzybigfoot, NC Yankee, and Snowguy
Abstained (1): bgwah

Didn't vote (2): Napoleon, and officepark

The OSPR says a majority of holding Senators, therefore I need 1 more Nay vote to fail this prior to the expiration of time.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well?

[CatoMinor]

Can we just assume the other two are ayes?

[bgwah]

I'll change my vote to nay to be helpful.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Abstain

[Bacon King]

With 2 ayes, 6 nays and 1 declared abstention, the amendment has failed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So what now? That was the last amendment. Final vote time?