Bayh

[A18]

No.

[Alcon]

He is a centrist on the budget, same-sex marriage, immigration, the military, personal tax, health care, and social security. He is right-of-center on business tax and campaign finance reform.

He is not left on anything.

How is that not a centrist?

Good getting a jumpstart on the baseless smears for 2008, though, when Evan Bayh will beat the feet off you.

[A18]

I'm sure his "centrist" positions are no missle defense, no FMA, keep letting illegal immigrants come in, oh I promise I won't abolish the military, no tax cuts, increase health care spending, let social security go bankrupt and stay away from free market reform.

Those are the LIBERAL positions.

He's not going to get the nomination. I haven't seen a single Democrat off of this message board support him.

[True Democrat]

I'm sure his "centrist" positions are no missle defense, no FMA, keep letting illegal immigrants come in, oh I promise I won't abolish the military, no tax cuts, increase health care spending, let social security go bankrupt and stay away from free market reform.

Those are the LIBERAL positions.

He's not going to get the nomination. I haven't seen a single Democrat off of this message board support him.

I think would be the best candidate to run for president.

[Alcon]

I'm sure his "centrist" positions are no missle defense, no FMA, keep letting illegal immigrants come in, oh I promise I won't abolish the military, no tax cuts, increase health care spending, let social security go bankrupt and stay away from free market reform.

Those are the LIBERAL positions.

He's not going to get the nomination. I haven't seen a single Democrat off of this message board support him.

This comes for his PE election file, actually. Maybe you should actually read his positions before you scream "liberal":

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Evan_Bayh.htm

He is a reasonable, respected leader. He is almost in the dead center.

[A18]

Alright, then tell me this. What would be the liberal position on all those issues?

I read his positions. Noteable is: Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime.

[Alcon]

Alright, then tell me this. What would be the liberal position on all those issues?

Budget: Ignore the defecit and focus on social programs.

Same-sex marriage: Gay marriage NOW.

Immigration: Grant illegal aliens amnesty.

Military: Cut military funding - it isn't necessary.

Personal tax: Increase income tax for everyone.

Health care: A completely public healthcare system.

You get the idea. You know what a far-left position is.

[danwxman]

Alright, then tell me this. What would be the liberal position on all those issues?

I read his positions. Noteable is: Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime.

Just because you are a moderate or centrist doesn't mean you don't take strong positions on issues. Your attitude is why so many moderates are pissed off about the Republican party.

[Alcon]

He is left-of-center on abortion. Your definition of a centrist seems to be agreeing with every single issue of the Republican Party. You aren't looking for a centrist - you're looking for a Republican.

[YRABNNRM]

I've read Philip say that he considered himself a moderate so there's enough said right there...

[ThePrezMex]

Alright, then tell me this. What would be the liberal position on all those issues?

Budget: Ignore the defecit and focus on social programs.

Same-sex marriage: Gay marriage NOW.

Immigration: Grant illegal aliens amnesty.

Military: Cut military funding - it isn't necessary.

Personal tax: Increase income tax for everyone.

Health care: A completely public healthcare system.

You get the idea. You know what a far-left position is.

Alcon, the far left is not in favor of granting amnesty to illegal aliens.
Both, extreme left and extreme right are against illegal aliens, the centrist position (in both parties) is favorable to immigration.
The far left and the far right have also identical positions on trade: Against free trade. The centrist position, again in both parties, is in favor of free trade.

Phillip, Bayh is center right, that is why he is my favorite candidate! but unfortunately that is precisely the reason why he could face a lot of obstacles to get the Democratic nomination.

[Cashcow]

I've read Philip say that he considered himself a moderate so there's enough said right there...

He said he was a libertarian once, too. That almost made me laugh. Not quite.

[A18]

When I said I was a moderate, I was poking fun at myself. When Alcon says Bayh is a moderate, he's serious.

I am a libertarian.

Alcon, he opposes Republicans on EVERY issue and agrees with LIBERALS.

I didn't say he was FAR left. FAR left is John Kerry. Left is Evan Bayh.

"Gay marriage NOW" is no different from opposing the FMA. Because gay marriage exists. Now.

Won't cut military spending is a given. These days, no Democrat presidential candidate would be caught dead going against the military.

Bayh would just be a tool for the Democrats to shove the things you mention down our throats. They won't run on it, they'll run on being "moderates." The effect, of course, is that Social Security goes bankrupt with no free market reform. That illegal immigrants continue to come in, and one day get amnesty. That activist courts continue to rule on the side of gay marriage.

Democrats see their party as a means to an end - to sneak things in under the radar.

Danwxman, the moderates you're talking about are not moderates. Opposing everything is not moderate. Being stuck in the New Deal, Great Society era and pushing against any kind of reform is not moderate. It's reactionary liberalism.

[Alcon]

When I said I was a moderate, I was poking fun at myself. When Alcon says Bayh is a moderate, he's serious.

I am a libertarian.

Alcon, he opposes Republicans on EVERY issue and agrees with LIBERALS.

I didn't say he was FAR left. FAR left is John Kerry. Left is Evan Bayh.

"Gay marriage NOW" is no different from opposing the FMA. Because gay marriage exists. Now.

Won't cut military spending is a given. These days, no Democrat presidential candidate would be caught dead going against the military.

Bayh would just be a tool for the Democrats to shove the things you mention down our throats. They won't run on it, they'll run on being "moderates." The effect, of course, is that Social Security goes bankrupt with no free market reform. That illegal immigrants continue to come in, and one day get amnesty. That activist courts continue to rule on the side of gay marriage.

Democrats see their party as a means to an end - to sneak things in under the radar.

Danwxman, the moderates you're talking about are not moderates. Opposing everything is not moderate. Being stuck in the New Deal, Great Society era and pushing against any kind of reform is not moderate. It's reactionary liberalism.

He has many 50% ratings from Democratic and Republican special interest groups. You are saying he agrees with the Republicans on nothing? Bull.

[A18]

So what does he agree with us on?

[Alcon]

So what does he agree with us on?

Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)

Broaden use of death penalty. (Jan 1998)

Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)

Voted NO on more funding for forest roads and fish habitat. (Sep 1999)

Come on, Philip, you can read.

[A18]

He voted against the tax cuts.

At least he agrees with us on the death penalty and the need to actually have an energy policy.

[Alcon]

He voted against the tax cuts.

At least he agrees with us on the death penalty and the need to actually have an energy policy.

I love the way you phrase this. A moderate isn't going to agree with you on everything! You are complaining he doesn't agree with you on individual idems. Well, duh. He's a moderate!

[Ben.]

 

He voted against the tax cuts.

At least he agrees with us on the death penalty and the need to actually have an energy policy.

Some elements of the tax cuts!... this was how he voted...

Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
Voted NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001)
Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Rated 26% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

...and another liberal John Breaux voted...

Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
Voted YES on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001)
Voted NO on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Rated 36% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

...so how does this make him a liberal?

I don't understand you dislike for Evan Bayh Philip, that said its an impressive stand you take trying argue that he's a radical liberal.   

[Gabu]

As far as I can tell, to Philip, a "moderate" is anyone who agrees with the Republicans and a leftist is anyone who's to the left of them.  I'd hate to know what a rightist is...

[King]

I hope Bayh is the Democratic nominee, I am 85.9% sure I would vote for him over the Republican.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Bayh wouldn't be my first choice (I'd rather a Populist) but I'd take him over Dean et al

[Gabu]

I hope Bayh is the Democratic nominee, I am 85.9% sure I would vote for him over the Republican.

Are you sure you're not 85.91% sure?

[King]

I hope Bayh is the Democratic nominee, I am 85.9% sure I would vote for him over the Republican.

Are you sure you're not 85.91% sure?

I'm 99.99999% sure that I am 85.90% sure

[opebo]

Among elected American politicians, Bayh is probably about dead center.  In the political spectrum as a whole he's rather right-wing.