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« Reply #450 on: May 02, 2011, 11:23:08 PM »

He also said, "others will follow until Quebec becomes a country. ... Quebec needs to become a free country."

Planning for the PQ leadership still, I see. Should have taken it in 2007 when he could.

Well, that's still a huge step down for him.

No, it's not. The PQ has always been more important than the BQ, and he would have the opportunity to form a government as PQ leader. Even before this defeat, I think being PQ leader was a bigger position than being BQ leader (but in 2007 Duceppe didn't want a slugfest with Marois that would have exposed the schisms between the social-democratic and conservative wings of the PQ). I think this defeat has tainted him too much, though.

(Curious what the NDP breakthrough will do for the QS's polling, if anything.)


One wonders whether anyone has thought of starting a serious provincial NDP. Surely Mulcair could beat the dismal pair of Charest and Marois...

There already is a provincial NDP. The QS. (Well, sort of. The QS is actually descended from the old provincial NDP. The Quebec NDP disaffiliated with the federal NDP in the early 1990s because they wanted to be sovereigntist, then later merged with some other small lefty outfits to form the UFP, which then merged with Option Citoyenne in 2007 to create QS.)

Quebec provincial politics is too starkly split along separatist-unionist lines that I can't see the NDP wanting to wade into the mire. Maybe. No way Mulcair would lead it, though; he's now the heir apparent to Jack Layton and hence a contender for Prime Minister.
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« Reply #451 on: May 02, 2011, 11:23:55 PM »

Jack Layton will be speaking soon.
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« Reply #452 on: May 02, 2011, 11:24:31 PM »

He also said, "others will follow until Quebec becomes a country. ... Quebec needs to become a free country."

Planning for the PQ leadership still, I see. Should have taken it in 2007 when he could.

Well, that's still a huge step down for him.

No, it's not. The PQ has always been more important than the BQ, and he would have the opportunity to form a government as PQ leader. Even before this defeat, I think being PQ leader was a bigger position than being BQ leader (but in 2007 Duceppe didn't want a slugfest with Marois that would have exposed the schisms between the social-democratic and conservative wings of the PQ). I think this defeat has tainted him too much, though.

(Curious what the NDP breakthrough will do for the QS's polling, if anything.)

One wonders whether anyone has thought of starting a serious provincial NDP. Surely Mulcair could beat the dismal pair of Charest and Marois...

There would be the old question of whether that party would be federalist or sovereigntist. Leave Quebec City to the Parti Québécois. The NDP can have Ottawa.
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« Reply #453 on: May 02, 2011, 11:24:46 PM »

Ah, I see that the NDP gained (the successor to) David Lewis's old seat. Smiley
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« Reply #454 on: May 02, 2011, 11:26:30 PM »



Crap, sorry; that was not directed at you at all! I was making that reference with respect to May's victory and the NDP winning on a hope and a prayer.

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Of course you're right - I should have realized what you meant.

I agree, unbiased though I'm not: since the election of Bush, I've found the Canadian left to be off-puttingly strident and self-righteous. At the start of the 2004 campaign (before I was old enough to vote), I supported Martin & his Liberals; by the end of it, I was solidly Tory. The constant nattering about hidden agendas and the evil Americans soured me on them, and their even louder talk about such things since then has made the break complete.
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« Reply #455 on: May 02, 2011, 11:26:40 PM »

Tories officially have 155 seats elected now.
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« Reply #456 on: May 02, 2011, 11:27:14 PM »

Ah, I see that the NDP gained (the successor to) David Lewis's old seat. Smiley

Finally back in the fold after all these years. Wonderful.
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« Reply #457 on: May 02, 2011, 11:27:49 PM »

CBC now has the Tories at 155 solid victories!
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« Reply #458 on: May 02, 2011, 11:29:22 PM »

So, isn't it a bit odd that Layton and Chow are both MPs?  Clearly they can't have the same "home address" if they're both MPs.
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« Reply #459 on: May 02, 2011, 11:29:35 PM »


And set to win 10 to 15 more.  
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« Reply #460 on: May 02, 2011, 11:29:47 PM »

He also said, "others will follow until Quebec becomes a country. ... Quebec needs to become a free country."

Planning for the PQ leadership still, I see. Should have taken it in 2007 when he could.

Well, that's still a huge step down for him.

No, it's not. The PQ has always been more important than the BQ, and he would have the opportunity to form a government as PQ leader. Even before this defeat, I think being PQ leader was a bigger position than being BQ leader (but in 2007 Duceppe didn't want a slugfest with Marois that would have exposed the schisms between the social-democratic and conservative wings of the PQ). I think this defeat has tainted him too much, though.

(Curious what the NDP breakthrough will do for the QS's polling, if anything.)


One wonders whether anyone has thought of starting a serious provincial NDP. Surely Mulcair could beat the dismal pair of Charest and Marois...

There already is a provincial NDP. The QS. (Well, sort of. The QS is actually descended from the old provincial NDP. The Quebec NDP disaffiliated with the federal NDP in the early 1990s because they wanted to be sovereigntist, then later merged with some other small lefty outfits to form the UFP, which then merged with Option Citoyenne in 2007 to create QS.)

Quebec provincial politics is too starkly split along separatist-unionist lines that I can't see the NDP wanting to wade into the mire. Maybe. No way Mulcair would lead it, though; he's now the heir apparent to Jack Layton and hence a contender for Prime Minister.

It's not obvious that this structure should be seen as more fixed than the Bloc was, given how the ADQ did and the unpopularity of the two leaders. But I realize it's not likely - just speculating here. And I agree that Mulcair will in fact stay federal.
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« Reply #461 on: May 02, 2011, 11:30:34 PM »

As Layton makes his speech, Nipissing-Timiskaming switches, LIB -> CON.

Also, Layton says "Tonight Canadians voted for better healthcare", but quickly corrects himself: "Public healthcare!"
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« Reply #462 on: May 02, 2011, 11:30:59 PM »

Canadians pronounce Ottawa weird. Aaw-tow-waah
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« Reply #463 on: May 02, 2011, 11:31:19 PM »

Layton: "Tonight Canadians voted to improve healthcare--public healthcare. ... and to lift every senior out of poverty."
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« Reply #464 on: May 02, 2011, 11:31:38 PM »

So, isn't it a bit odd that Layton and Chow are both MPs?  Clearly they can't have the same "home address" if they're both MPs.


They live in Trinity-Spadina. And Ignatieff lives in Toronto Centre, and Rae lives in Parkdale-High Park. You don't even have to pretend to have an address in the riding in Toronto, no-one cares about this.
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« Reply #465 on: May 02, 2011, 11:31:51 PM »

So, isn't it a bit odd that Layton and Chow are both MPs?  Clearly they can't have the same "home address" if they're both MPs.

Canada doesn't require one to live in a seat to run for it. I'm not sure if they're even required to live in the province.
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« Reply #466 on: May 02, 2011, 11:32:22 PM »

Layton: "You voted to end the same old debates and political games."
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« Reply #467 on: May 02, 2011, 11:33:05 PM »

So, isn't it a bit odd that Layton and Chow are both MPs?  Clearly they can't have the same "home address" if they're both MPs.

Canada doesn't require one to live in a seat to run for it. I'm not sure if they're even required to live in the province.

Ahh, I didn't realize that.  I'd still think it'd be hard to get elected if you don't live there.  Surely that must get brought up in the campaigns?
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« Reply #468 on: May 02, 2011, 11:33:50 PM »

Some guy on Twitter made me laugh: "Happy Jack's speech reminds me of the first time I made it to third base. #elxn41 #cdnpoli"
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« Reply #469 on: May 02, 2011, 11:35:18 PM »

Layton congratulated Harper for his victory, is booed.

He responds: "It's a significant victory."
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« Reply #470 on: May 02, 2011, 11:35:58 PM »

Scarborough-Rouge River everyone. Scarborough-Rouge River.
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« Reply #471 on: May 02, 2011, 11:36:04 PM »

NDP audience cheer Ignatieff, Duceppe and May (the loudest) and boo Harper.
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« Reply #472 on: May 02, 2011, 11:37:17 PM »

http://threehundredeight.blogspot.com/

^^^ was off by more than 20 seats for every party
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« Reply #473 on: May 02, 2011, 11:38:17 PM »

So, isn't it a bit odd that Layton and Chow are both MPs?  Clearly they can't have the same "home address" if they're both MPs.

Canada doesn't require one to live in a seat to run for it. I'm not sure if they're even required to live in the province.

Stockwell Day notably represented a British Columbia riding.
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« Reply #474 on: May 02, 2011, 11:38:29 PM »

I don't think anybody did well with their predictions.  I almost went heavy with the Conservative gains, but figured I'd just get mocked as a hack... should've done it! lol
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