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« Reply #425 on: May 02, 2011, 10:55:34 PM »

Chantal Hébert says: "This is the worst result for the sovereigntists... there is no money, no official status for the party... Mr. Harper is unpopular, but over [Duceppe's leadership] sovereignity has never gone up."

The Bloc has outlived its purpose, even that of getting Quebec pork. Sovereignism as a federal movement is over.
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« Reply #426 on: May 02, 2011, 10:56:01 PM »

Bloc has slipped into the lead in Bas-Richelieu with only a few polls left. Sloooooow counting in Quebec.
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« Reply #427 on: May 02, 2011, 10:58:30 PM »

Liberals may have gone the way of Fianna Fail - two of the most powerful parties in history getting record-low results within nine weeks.
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« Reply #428 on: May 02, 2011, 10:59:27 PM »

Heh, good for May.
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« Reply #429 on: May 02, 2011, 11:02:28 PM »

Oh, Justin Trudeau is speaking. Hah.

Also Peter Mansbridge is my favorite journalist and he is a national treasure and you Canadians should never let him go.
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« Reply #430 on: May 02, 2011, 11:03:39 PM »

He also said, "others will follow until Quebec becomes a country. ... Quebec needs to become a free country."

Planning for the PQ leadership still, I see. Should have taken it in 2007 when he could.

Well, that's still a huge step down for him.
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« Reply #431 on: May 02, 2011, 11:05:09 PM »

Leading a party that might actually be able to take power on the provincial level is certainly a step above leading a joke grouping of 2 or 3 people.
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« Reply #432 on: May 02, 2011, 11:06:20 PM »

Surely one can complain about "infantile leftism" dominating this election...

Liberals may have gone the way of Fianna Fail - two of the most powerful parties in history getting record-low results within nine weeks.

As bad as this seems, it's not THAT bad. Fianna Foil in a FPTP system would have seats numbering in the single digits. The Liberals still have their personalities, and they have not gone past a point of no return. Their stabilization or their demise will just be quicker than most.
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« Reply #433 on: May 02, 2011, 11:06:49 PM »

Leading a party that might actually be able to take power on the provincial level is certainly a step above leading a joke grouping of 2 or 3 people.

Well, I mean step down from where he was before tonight.  After tonight, at least until at least 2015, the BQ is essentially dead.
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« Reply #434 on: May 02, 2011, 11:07:14 PM »

He also said, "others will follow until Quebec becomes a country. ... Quebec needs to become a free country."

Planning for the PQ leadership still, I see. Should have taken it in 2007 when he could.

Well, that's still a huge step down for him.

No, it's not. The PQ has always been more important than the BQ, and he would have the opportunity to form a government as PQ leader. Even before this defeat, I think being PQ leader was a bigger position than being BQ leader (but in 2007 Duceppe didn't want a slugfest with Marois that would have exposed the schisms between the social-democratic and conservative wings of the PQ). I think this defeat has tainted him too much, though.

(Curious what the NDP breakthrough will do for the QS's polling, if anything.)
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« Reply #435 on: May 02, 2011, 11:08:56 PM »

Why is the Green doing so well in the Yukon?

Edit: Bloc takes Richmond-Arthabaska. Looks like they'll win Bas-Richelieu-etc. as well. Ahuntsic is the only other seat that they have a good shot at winning.
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« Reply #436 on: May 02, 2011, 11:09:00 PM »

Elizabeth May now speaking.
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« Reply #437 on: May 02, 2011, 11:11:10 PM »

"Today we proved that Canadians want change in politics."  Not really... you didn't.  The NDP did.
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« Reply #438 on: May 02, 2011, 11:12:17 PM »

While they won their first seat in an election, they acutally lost 3% of the vote nationwide.  I'm sorry, but I don't see what the big deal is here.  Sure, you won a seat, but come on, it's only one seat.
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« Reply #439 on: May 02, 2011, 11:12:48 PM »

"Today we proved that Canadians want change in politics."  Not really... you didn't.  The NDP did.

Seems like she wrote her speech without consideration of a Conservative majority.
(If the Tories won, surely she would have lost?)
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« Reply #440 on: May 02, 2011, 11:13:21 PM »

Surely one can complain about "infantile leftism" dominating this election...

Liberals may have gone the way of Fianna Fail - two of the most powerful parties in history getting record-low results within nine weeks.

As bad as this seems, it's not THAT bad. Fianna Foil in a FPTP system would have seats numbering in the single digits. The Liberals still have their personalities, and they have not gone past a point of no return. Their stabilization or their demise will just be quicker than most.

I was referring more to their share of the vote - below 20% for the first time. Liberals are more likely to recover but both are in trouble.

I'm not sure how you drew 'infantile leftism' from what I said, especially considering that I am not in any way a left-winger. Infantile, maybe . . .
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« Reply #441 on: May 02, 2011, 11:14:31 PM »

"Today we proved that Canadians want change in politics."  Not really... you didn't.  The NDP did.

Seems like she wrote her speech without consideration of a Conservative majority.
(If the Tories won, surely she would have lost?)

You really think it was written?
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« Reply #442 on: May 02, 2011, 11:16:00 PM »

He also said, "others will follow until Quebec becomes a country. ... Quebec needs to become a free country."

Planning for the PQ leadership still, I see. Should have taken it in 2007 when he could.

Well, that's still a huge step down for him.

No, it's not. The PQ has always been more important than the BQ, and he would have the opportunity to form a government as PQ leader. Even before this defeat, I think being PQ leader was a bigger position than being BQ leader (but in 2007 Duceppe didn't want a slugfest with Marois that would have exposed the schisms between the social-democratic and conservative wings of the PQ). I think this defeat has tainted him too much, though.

(Curious what the NDP breakthrough will do for the QS's polling, if anything.)


One wonders whether anyone has thought of starting a serious provincial NDP. Surely Mulcair could beat the dismal pair of Charest and Marois...
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« Reply #443 on: May 02, 2011, 11:18:04 PM »

While they won their first seat in an election, they acutally lost 3% of the vote nationwide.  I'm sorry, but I don't see what the big deal is here.  Sure, you won a seat, but come on, it's only one seat.

The seat is symbolically important for the Greens. They've struggled to be recognized as a real party without a seat (the debates controversy in 2008, for example); May winning in Saanich will change that.

I doubt the Greens will gain more seats in 2015, except maybe Vancouver Centre if they're really lucky, and they might end up merged into the NDP before then, but it's still a significant moment for the Greens, just overshadowed by other significant moments.
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« Reply #444 on: May 02, 2011, 11:18:26 PM »

The Conservatives are now 2 MPs away from having a solid win declared by the CBC.
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« Reply #445 on: May 02, 2011, 11:18:38 PM »
« Edited: May 02, 2011, 11:21:58 PM by Foucaulf »

Surely one can complain about "infantile leftism" dominating this election...

Liberals may have gone the way of Fianna Fail - two of the most powerful parties in history getting record-low results within nine weeks.

As bad as this seems, it's not THAT bad. Fianna Foil in a FPTP system would have seats numbering in the single digits. The Liberals still have their personalities, and they have not gone past a point of no return. Their stabilization or their demise will just be quicker than most.

I was referring more to their share of the vote - below 20% for the first time. Liberals are more likely to recover but both are in trouble.

I'm not sure how you drew 'infantile leftism' from what I said, especially considering that I am not in any way a left-winger. Infantile, maybe . . .

Crap, sorry; that was not directed at you at all! I was making that reference with respect to May's victory and the NDP winning on a hope and a prayer.

Fianna Fail's percentage '11 is lower than Liberal '11, but Fianna Fail's drop was due to the collapse of an entire political order. I firmly believe the death of the Liberal party will not be decided by the electorate, but by themselves.

 
You think she's good enough an orator to make it up as she went?

May-bashing is the only way to express my anger, I suppose.
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« Reply #446 on: May 02, 2011, 11:19:17 PM »

Bob Rae is sounding open to an NDP-Liberal merger.

He would have a bit more credibility if he were a member of the NDP, wouldn't he?
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« Reply #447 on: May 02, 2011, 11:19:24 PM »

CBC has now announced Ignatieff has lost.
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« Reply #448 on: May 02, 2011, 11:20:25 PM »

The BQ is now up to 2 MPs with Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia and Richmond-Arthabaska being officially declared by the CBC.
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« Reply #449 on: May 02, 2011, 11:22:20 PM »

I've often wished that we would announce our results in Canada the same way Britain does it - it would have been especially delicious tonight to see the first Quebec & Toronto results be read out. The color would have drained from Bloc & Liberal supporters' faces in about half a second.

As for the suggestion about re-starting a provincial NDP in Quebec, I think that would be a good idea (and a lot of people may now think so too): Quebeckers seem to embrace leftism more than separatism, but unfortunately they must vote for both at once in the form of the PQ. Providing just the socialism might be just the thing that they would go for. It's at least worth a shot - I live in Nova Scotia and imagining what might happen to the Maritimes if Quebec were to go horrifies me.
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