Post a map of a prez election in any country between posters of your choice

[big bad fab]

Let's start this again.

You'll find all the interesting posts below.
Of course, all with a horrible Frenc blue avatar , but I'm not exactly the first responsible for this .

[big bad fab]

Thank you Swedish Cheese for giving me this idea .

I'd like to make a Hashemite-BBF map of France .



A surprising result !

Hash has regional strongholds in Brittany (because of regionalism and of centrism, up to Mayenne, Sarthe and Indre-et-Loire) and Corsica.
Centrist areas of Lozère and Savoie (combined with small regionalist effect) give them these 2 departements.
He does well in left and Greens regions, except in the South-West, where BBF has a local stronghold. He does well in bobos and urban areas, except in Paris, where his anti-Jacobine line hurts him badly.

BBF does well in rightist areas, but even more in the North East, where his social conservative line plays well, even among blue collars (hence the fact he grasps Meurthe-et-Moselle and keeps Doubs.
His south-western stronghold adds to rightist traditional areas of Vendée, Maine-et-Loire, south of Massif Central, so this continuity seems a bit artificial.
His surprisingly good results in Eure, Manche, Orne have more to do with Norman anti-Brittany vote and with rural votes than anything else .

Some results are very tight, as in Territoire-de-Belfort, Côte-d'Or, Loire, Aveyron, Corrèze, Maine-et-Loire, Calvados.

(something of a virtual Pompidou-VGE map, isn't it, Hash ? very broadly speaking of course...)

[big bad fab]

Cool thread!

BBF vs. myself in Quebec:



BBF: generally dominates most of French rural Quebec and wins in semi-working class places such as Trois-Rivieres. Also, wins in Quebec City due to its suburbs (I'd win the decent downtown core), most of Gaspesie, a part of Cote-Nord and North Shore Montreal suburbs of boredom. He'd do really well in Beauce (60-70%) if only because some of my opinions on Beauce would come out and they wouldn't be pleased.

me: My home base would be Montreal where I'd win almost all of the island, Laval (second home base), South Shore suburbs I grew up in (Saint-Lambert, Longueuil) and a favourite son vote in Lanaudiere around Joliette. Also, I'd probably take Gatineau-Hull even though it's a boring suburb. I'd probably win the Anglo areas, old working-class locales in Abitibi or the Cote Nord. And maybe Saguenay as I'd probably be the most palatable to hardcore nationalist voters. Ad I'd take parts of the Eastern Townships, notably Sherbrooke, Magog and the Anglo areas.

[big bad fab]

1st round:

Green (Red/Green Alliance): Antonio
Black (ÖVP): Franzl
Blue (FPÖ): Master Jedi



Antonio wins with 34.7%, followed by Master Jedi with 29.5% and Franzl with 28.8%

[big bad fab]

Yellow: opebo - royalist/nobless oblige party
Red: BushOK - populist/republican
Green - corrupt small-party ally of opebo
Light blue - another corrupt small-party ally of opebo
Beige - muslims

To explain my map a little more, and thus the political geography of Thailand, I'll add another map:



What this map shows it that the orange area around Bangkok and just to the Southeast and Southwest is 'Central Thai' in original ethnicity, and thus very supportive of the status quo, as well as being quite middle class and thus also status quo supportive.  This is a very developed area, probably more so than much of the American middle west and South.  The light green 'small corrupt party area' is central Thai in ethnicity but fairly poor.  They mostly follow one man (Banhorn), who sells his support to the highest bidder (usually the crown parties - Democrats).   The light blue includes the Khmer or Cambodia ethnic areas of Thailand, and areas where, though not majority Khmer the complex ethnic mix gives an opening for the 'Khmer party' of Newin hold sway (sometimes in co-operation with even smaller parties).  Finally the very dark green area is a mix of Central Thai and Lao ethnicity, with a stronger loyalty to the center than the fully Lao areas to the North and East.  Of course the aforementioned areas, and the north, would strongly support a populist candidate, as they have proven to do in the past, just as the South traditionally supports the most anti-north-and-northeast candidate and the most traditional royalist candidate they can find - namely the Democrat party (do any of you know that the OSS was reputed to be instrumental in supporting in the creation of the Democrat Party of Thailand?).

[big bad fab]

BBF vs Antonio V

Antonio is strong in traditional left strongholds, but he adds some better results in the neighbourhood of Italy and is so able to grasp Savoie and Hautes-Alpes.
He wins all Corsica too.
His Ile-de-France basis spreads up to Eure and Oise and he has no problem to win Paris by a comfortable margin.

BBF has his personal basis in Aquitaine and is able to gain all the region plus Lot and Poitou-Charentes (Antonio's attacks against Royal doesn't help him either ).
The far-right electorate, though snobbed by BBF is even more irritated by what they see as a leftist Parisian intellectual in Antonio and so they reluctantly support BBF, making it possible for him to add Vaucluse and Pyrénées Orientales to Var and Alpes-Maritimes.

But Italian and popular origins of Antonio give him Ardennes and Meurthe-et-Moselle.

[big bad fab]

Me vs Al

[big bad fab]

BBF vs Antonio V

Antonio is strong in traditional left strongholds, but he adds some better results in the neighbourhood of Italy and is so able to grasp Savoie and Hautes-Alpes.
He wins all Corsica too.
His Ile-de-France basis spreads up to Eure and Oise and he has no problem to win Paris by a comfortable margin.

BBF has his personal basis in Aquitaine and is able to gain all the region plus Lot and Poitou-Charentes (Antonio's attacks against Royal doesn't help him either ).
The far-right electorate, though snobbed by BBF is even more irritated by what they see as a leftist Parisian intellectual in Antonio and so they reluctantly support BBF, making it possible for him to add Vaucluse and Pyrénées Orientales to Var and Alpes-Maritimes.

But Italian and popular origins of Antonio give him Ardennes and Meurthe-et-Moselle.

I don't see myself doing so well in the working-class southeast, for the reason you said (Parisian intello-bobo). I could also lose some places in the North for the same reason. And despite personal appeal I don't see a so left-wing region as Aquitaine going for you in a landslide (at least Gironde and Landes should stay red).

Overall, if we consider only political stances I think I would win in a landslide. I'm a Jospinian social-democrat and you're a catho-tradi, after all. I'd easily paint you as an extremist. Plus in a left-wing context as 2012, I'd easily win by criticizing the right's neoliberal policies in the last 10 years. However, as I'm really not very attractive to the working-class, there would probably be a strong FN in the first round... so I could end up like my hero. If also we take likability in consideration, things could get closer (I would probably end up insulting all the right-wing nutjobs and making long hackish rants about how evil the UMP is).

[big bad fab]

You're perfectly right. You'd win and even more in 2012.
Well, I think that, even with you insulting the UMP, I would be so unpopular even among the upper classes (criticizing moral feebleness of bobos and Greens, for example) and the mainstream right (being too much European and economically "sober"), apart from the fact that I'd despise every journalist for being utterly ignorant retards and supermorons, and that I'd insult moustachoed "beaufs" in the South-East...,
in a nutshell, it's IMPOSSIBLE that I make it to the second round.

I'd probably be between Christine Boutin and Hervé Morin in terms of electoral efficiency and results .

But this map is just a game, trying to identify areas of relative strength and to have a balanced map overall.

Of course, my Bordeaux origins wouldn't be enough (far from it !) to win all the Aquitaine, plus Charente, plus Lot ! Especially with my Catholic stance: I would be beaten 98%-2% in Lot, for example !
But I'm from the South-West, you see, and I love Bordeaux and Quercy and Périgord, etc.

[big bad fab]

Oh, I see, that's really just for fun.

Fine to see I'm not a total failure at French political geography, though.

[big bad fab]

A surprising result !

Hash has regional strongholds in Brittany (because of regionalism and of centrism, up to Mayenne, Sarthe and Indre-et-Loire) and Corsica.
Centrist areas of Lozère and Savoie (combined with small regionalist effect) give them these 2 departements.
He does well in left and Greens regions, except in the South-West, where BBF has a local stronghold. He does well in bobos and urban areas, except in Paris, where his anti-Jacobine line hurts him badly.

BBF does well in rightist areas, but even more in the North East, where his social conservative line plays well, even among blue collars (hence the fact he grasps Meurthe-et-Moselle and keeps Doubs.
His south-western stronghold adds to rightist traditional areas of Vendée, Maine-et-Loire, south of Massif Central, so this continuity seems a bit artificial.
His surprisingly good results in Eure, Manche, Orne have more to do with Norman anti-Brittany vote and with rural votes than anything else .

Some results are very tight, as in Territoire-de-Belfort, Côte-d'Or, Loire, Aveyron, Corrèze, Maine-et-Loire, Calvados.

(something of a virtual Pompidou-VGE map, isn't it, Hash ? very broadly speaking of course...)

I'm in class, I dislike the teacher and am in no mood to listen to his blabber.

I doubt I'd do so well in working-class areas such as the north, Lyonnais and some southern areas. I'm far too much of a liberal bobo intellectual to appeal to them. I would lose in a landslide along the Mediterranean coast given that I support nuking coastal regions of Herault, Gard, Pyrenees-Orientales and Var. I also dislike reactionary old people who go retire/pollute the coast, so I'm pretty sure my young bobo liberalness would be toxic in those areas.

In reality, this election would be a nightmare for both left and far-right. The far-right would despise my progressive, bobo, liberal elitist pro-European attitude and would also dislike your pro-European and sane conservatism. The left would dislike you as a right-winger but would also dislike me because of my rather right-leaning views on pensions, economic reforms, labour legislation and so forth in France. I gather the FN would poll 20-25% here and a Besancenot or FG candidate would take 10-15%. Which means I would be in a tough spot to win the Northeast, Picardie but also the Rural Communism of Limousin and parts of Centre/Auvergne. But at any rate, I ascertain for sure that Vaucluse, Bouches-du-Rhone, Gard, Herault, Pyrenees-Orientales are gone for me as are Belfort, Aisne, Somme, Nord, Pas-de-Calais and probably Seine-Maritime, Nievre, Allier, Creuse, Cher, Indre and perhaps even Puy-de-Dome, Saone-et-Loire.

I *might* take the Pyrenees-Atlantiques on the back of strong support from the regionalists in Euskadi and might do well in parts of Alsace.

As I mentioned elsewhere, my campaign would also be a nice trainwreck. The aforementioned factors, plus the fact that I'd probably stutter/screw up in a debate, make insulting comments, make anti-Jacobin radically federalist/regionalist statements all with a penchant for swearing in Quebecois. And maybe some people would think that I have a Quebecois accent (just like people in Quebec would think that I have a French accent).

[big bad fab]

[big bad fab]

eh, no. That's so off. I'd be much stronger in Ottawa and French eastern/northern Ontario. You'd be stronger in SW Ontario and in places such as Hamilton, Oshawa, Scarborough, Vaughan, Windsor and parts of Toronto.

[big bad fab]

[big bad fab]

BBF vs Bunwah (or whatever his name is now)

Basically, the rightist areas for me, plus my native stronghold of the SW, minus the Massif Central and Savoie and Vosges, as Benoît is traditionally strong in rural mountainous areas.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

It seems that your "moderator instinct" is gettign stronger... ...Seriously though, thank you for getting rid of the mindless trolling.

Now, I'm still waiting for a Brazil map of me vs (forgot who was my opponent supposed to be) by Hashemite.

[big bad fab]

I very rarely report posts. I've done it here, without result (and I can understand this). So, I'm doing my own lil' moderating (but keeping all the interesting posts, even on Thailand).


I'd like a map with me in Brazil too.
A difficult one, like vs HappyWarrior or BenConstine (yeah, no tiers-mondiste, that would be too easy).

Thanks in advance, Hash .

Antonio has a priority, of course.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

Since I'm jealous and despite the fact I epically suck at French political geography, I've decided to do my little map of French presidential maps. Ok, it's only a regional map, but at least there are percentages.



First round
Fabien F. (UMP) : 28.7%
Benoît C. (EE-LV) : 26.1%
Antonio V. (PS) : 24.8%
Gaël L'H. (regionalist) : 20.4%

While polling ahead in the beginning, my numbers would totally collapse in the early stages of the campaign after I'll start appear as an elitist parisian bobo, and I am attacked by both the left of the party (treasonous social-democrat) and by the center (anti-sarkozyst hack). Soon, Ben starts emerging as a serious left-wing contender, and is officiously endorsed by a lot of PS members (like Royal, which would probably hate me for obvious reasons). Benoît manages to impose himself as the "true left-winger" of the campaign, by presenting himself as "close to the people". He takes the votes of the entire "rural left", while I carry only the bobo vote and barely manage to keep enough working-class votes in the North. Hashemite would start very high, taking a lot of vote to the right because Fabien is perceived as an extremist and a traditionalist. For a couple of time he'd be considered as "the strongest candidate of the right". But like me he'd probably make some gaffes which would strongly hurt him among the working class. Meanwhile Fab manage to build a strong base and build a more moderate image.

Second round
Benoît : 54.7%
Fabien : 45.3%

2012's left-wing climate associated with Fab's perceived extremism is sufficient to give Benoît a strong victory. I'd endorse Benoît and my votes would transfer easily to him, whereas Hashemite would endorse Fabien but his voters would be less disciplined.

[big bad fab]

Excellent ! And very pleasant to read.

I'd switched Corsica to Hash, though, in the first round (and to Benoît in the second round).
I think I'd been able to win Basse-Normandie in the 2nd round, with a very small margin.

[Hash]

Here's the Brazil maps. Harder than I thought.

Antonio vs. Mech

An easy modern left-right matchup. Both Antonio and Mech fit in easily within the PT and PSDB. Mech, however, would probably be hated by the PFL. Antonio might be on bad terms with Mr. Sarney and the PMDB Barons. Probably a few mistakes in there, but it's easy.


Tougher. HW would probably take the bulk of the Nordeste. Fab would probably take the evangelicals. HW would perform stronger than average in urban areas and would make the South closer than usual for the right. Fab would probably be stronger in rural areas and parts of the Nordeste with a "Catholic social" appeal (though HW has one too). The PFL would probably tolerate Fab. The PMDB might be split, here I've kind of assumed Sarney sits on his hands.

[big bad fab]

Wonderful !
"Happy" to have given you a difficult one .

I cannot comment the details of your map as my Brazil knowledge is so weak.
I think I would be crushed there, despite a certain Catholic appeal, but fast disappearing now...

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

So I'm basically a clone of Dilma ? Not bad it seems...

Excellent ! And very pleasant to read.

I'd switched Corsica to Hash, though, in the first round (and to Benoît in the second round).
I think I'd been able to win Basse-Normandie in the 2nd round, with a very small margin.

I hesitated a lot about Corsica, I guess it would be very close between you and Hash indeed. In the second round though, I think you'd easily win it as it's a pretty right-wing region. Maybe I overestimated you in Pays de la Loire, even though I think you'd do very well there. You could be right about Basse-Normandie.

[Hash]

A useless map:



Me vs. Antonio vs. Fab in Ottawa and Montreal.

Ottawa: I'd win my home turf in Orleans and the east as well as Beacon Hill, Sandy Hill and uOttawa (obviously). I'd do well in Vanier and Alta Vista whereabouts. Antonio would dominate the Glebe, downtown and Carleton and do well around Britannia Bay. He does well in Vanier as well. Fab wins the rest, sweeping the useless rural dumps and the awful exurbs of Kanata/Barrhaven and most of Nepean.

Montreal: I figure I'd be the moderate green-ish candidate a la Bergeron and win the Plateau, downtown Montreal, NDG and Outremont, and perhaps gentrified parts of Rosemont-La Petite Patrie. Antonio would be the "left-wing" candidate and thus does well in Hochelaga-Maisonneuve, working-class areas such as the refineries of the east, Saint-Henri, Verdun and Lachine. He would also win the visible minorities in Montreal-Nord, Saint-Laurent, LaSalle and so forth. His stronghold would be Saint-Leonard, where his Italian roots win him 60%+. The West Island is tough, I might do well but overall Fab would win the bulk of it especially the wealthier parts. He'd win Westmount, Hampstead, Cote St Luc (I figure he'd take the Jews), Montreal West. Close places include Ahuntsic (Antonio wins, I place second), Mont Royal (Fab plurality, with me and Antonio strong), Lachine/LaSalle/Verdun (Antonio wins, Fab close), Cote-des-Neiges-NDG (a 3-way race practically).

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Can I have a map of me vs. someone of your choice in Brazil?

[opebo]

I very rarely report posts. I've done it here, without result (and I can understand this). So, I'm doing my own lil' moderating (but keeping all the interesting posts, even on Thailand).

'Even on Thailand'?  What the hell does that mean.

Thankfully the one amusing post in this whole thread, which you have censored, does still for the moment appear in the Comedy Goldmine.