Western Europe political parties suvrivor (Phase I) - Group 5 COMPLETE

[big bad fab]

Il Popolo delle libertà

And, Julio, please don't use such insults, because you are just feeding those who you attack on the other side.
And, what is more, all the far-right parties aren't "nazis", far from it: this would be a HUGE mistake to think all these "post-modern" far-rightists in Netherlands or Finland are "nazis" or even fascists.

Honestly, I hate some leftist parties in France (NPA, as some of you know it, plus some socialists like Hamon, Aubry or all the former so-called Trotskyites), but I won't begin to use insults, or this survivor will never end in a good way.

the problem is that other conservative political parties in europe are at least democratic. PP doesn't have primaries and a majority of their leaders are still franco supporters (see manuel fraga, founder of the party and minister of franco). others go to far-right "debates" in xenophobic/homophobic/ultranationalist TV channels like "intereconomia" and insult everyone who doesn't think like hi . others, like jaime mayor-oreja, say the government helps ETA... you should come here.. why do you think it's that difficult for PP to win a general election here?? when people feel they're going to him, people vote, and always against them.
PP is full of people who were members of "la falange". please, search in google what they stand for and you'll realize they aren't a common conservative party...

That was your qualification of the whole far-right group that made me react: all these parties are far from Nazis or even fascists.

As for the PP, I don't know it enough and I don't know the share of former phalangists in it.
Though I guess the biggest "undemocratic" wing in the PP should be traditional franquists, though, i.e. authoritarian (or even dictatorial) conservatives, which is different from fascism (and of course from nazism).

[Antonio the Sixth]

The People of Freedom (Italy) and Christen-Democratisch en Vlaams (Belgium) are out

PdL : 29
CDV : 5
CDS-PP : 3
FF : 2
CDH : 1

Immunity
M : 7
FG : 1
FLI : 1
PdL : 1




- Austrian People's Party
- Christen-Democratisch en Vlaams (Belgium)
- Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
- Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- Union for a Popular Movement (France)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- New Democracy (Greece)
- Independence Party (Iceland)
- Fine Gael (Ireland)
- Fianna Fáil (Ireland)
- The People of Freedom (Italy)
- Future and Freedom for Italy
- Christian Social People's Party (Luxembourg)
- Nationalist Party (Malta)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Christian Democratic Appeal (Netherlands)
- Conservative Party (Norway)
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Social Democratic Party (Portugal)
- Democratic and Social Centre – People's Party (Portugal)
- People's Party (Spain)
- Moderate Party (Sweden) Immune for rounds 3-6
- Christian Democrats (Sweden)
- Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland
- Conservative Party (UK)

Round 3 begins. You have 7 votes to eliminate to cast 4-2-1, and 3 votes to keep, to cast 2-1.

[homelycooking]

Eliminate
4 New Democracy (Greece)
2 Democratic and Social Centre – People's Party (Portugal)
1 Democratic Rally (Cyprus)

Keep
2 Fine Gael (Ireland)
1 Fianna Fáil (Ireland)

[Niemeyerite]

eliminate:
4 - New Democracy (Greece)
2 - Independence Party (Iceland)
1 - Conservative Party (UK)

[Niemeyerite]

Il Popolo delle libertà

And, Julio, please don't use such insults, because you are just feeding those who you attack on the other side.
And, what is more, all the far-right parties aren't "nazis", far from it: this would be a HUGE mistake to think all these "post-modern" far-rightists in Netherlands or Finland are "nazis" or even fascists.

Honestly, I hate some leftist parties in France (NPA, as some of you know it, plus some socialists like Hamon, Aubry or all the former so-called Trotskyites), but I won't begin to use insults, or this survivor will never end in a good way.

the problem is that other conservative political parties in europe are at least democratic. PP doesn't have primaries and a majority of their leaders are still franco supporters (see manuel fraga, founder of the party and minister of franco). others go to far-right "debates" in xenophobic/homophobic/ultranationalist TV channels like "intereconomia" and insult everyone who doesn't think like hi . others, like jaime mayor-oreja, say the government helps ETA... you should come here.. why do you think it's that difficult for PP to win a general election here?? when people feel they're going to him, people vote, and always against them.
PP is full of people who were members of "la falange". please, search in google what they stand for and you'll realize they aren't a common conservative party...

That was your qualification of the whole far-right group that made me react: all these parties are far from Nazis or even fascists.

As for the PP, I don't know it enough and I don't know the share of former phalangists in it.
Though I guess the biggest "undemocratic" wing in the PP should be traditional franquists, though, i.e. authoritarian (or even dictatorial) conservatives, which is different from fascism (and of course from nazism).

OK, I understand your view, The problem is that here in spain we call "fachas (short word which means fascist) almost everyone who supports PP. Some of them even accept being called fachas (fascists) as we accept being called "rojos" by them. polarization in spain is huge, you should see xD. so, if we call someone who isn't franquist but votes PP (a small minority) "facha", imagine what a franquist PP voter is for us... even more fascist than mussolini haha...

[big bad fab]

Your map isn't completely updated, Antonio.

Eliminate
4 New Democracy (Greece)
2 Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
1 Independence Party (Iceland)

Keep
2 Conservatives (UK)
1 UMP

[Hash]

4 ND
2 Independence Party (Iceland)
1 CDS-PP

keep
2 KOK
1 Hoyre

[Nhoj]

Eliminate
4 New Democracy (Greece)
2 Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
1 Independence Party (Iceland)

Keep
2 Conservatives (UK)
1 Hoyre

[Antonio the Sixth]

Your map isn't completely updated, Antonio.

You are right. Now it is.

[Hans-im-Glück]

4  CDS-PP
2  New Democracy (Greece)
1  Fianna Fáil (Ireland)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Eliminate :
4 Epic Fail
2 New Democracy
1 CDS-PP

Keep :
2 CDH
1 DISY

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Eliminate:
4 - Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
2 - Fianna Fáil (Ireland)
1 - National Coalition Party (Finland)

Keep:
2 - Venstre (Denmark)
1 - Nationalist Party (Malta)

[BenNebbich]

Eliminate:
4 - Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
2 - Fianna Fáil (Ireland)
1 - National Coalition Party (Finland)

Keep:
2 - Venstre (Denmark)
1 - Nationalist Party (Malta)

[Antonio the Sixth]

New Democracy (Grece) is out

ND : 24
CDH : 10
FF : 8
CDS-PP : 8
D : 6
DISY : 0
Kok : 0
UMP : -1
H : -2
PN : -2
FG : -2
Con : -3
V : -4

THE KEEP VOTES DAMN IT !!!




- Austrian People's Party
- Christen-Democratisch en Vlaams (Belgium)
- Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
- Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- Union for a Popular Movement (France)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- New Democracy (Greece)
- Independence Party (Iceland)
- Fine Gael (Ireland)
- Fianna Fáil (Ireland)
- The People of Freedom (Italy)
- Future and Freedom for Italy
- Christian Social People's Party (Luxembourg)
- Nationalist Party (Malta)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Christian Democratic Appeal (Netherlands)
- Conservative Party (Norway)
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Social Democratic Party (Portugal)
- Democratic and Social Centre – People's Party (Portugal)
- People's Party (Spain)
- Moderate Party (Sweden) Immune for rounds 3-6
- Christian Democrats (Sweden)
- Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland
- Conservative Party (UK)

Round 4 begins. You have 15 votes to eliminate, to cast 5-4-3-2-1. 2 parties will be eliminated.

[Nhoj]

5 Fianna Fáil
4 cdH
3 Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
2 Independence Party (Iceland)
1 Det Konservative Folkeparti

[Hash]

5 Epic Fail
4 cdH
3 Independence Party (Iceland)
2 Nationalist Party (Malta)
1 VVD

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Eliminate:
5 - Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
4 - Fianna Fáil (Ireland)
3 - National Coalition Party (Finland)
2 - Union for a Popular Movement (France)
1 - Social Democratic Party (Portugal)

[homelycooking]

5 Democratic and Social Centre - People's Party
4 Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
3 Nationalist Party (Malta)
2 Independence Party (Iceland)
1 SDP - Portugal

[BenNebbich]

5 Fianna Fáil
4 cdH
3 Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
2 Independence Party (Iceland)
1 Det Konservative Folkeparti

[big bad fab]

5 CDH (Belgium)
4 Christian Social People's Party (Luxembourg)
3 Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
2 Fine Gael
1 Fianna Fail

[Niemeyerite]

5 Fianna Fáil
4 cdH
3 Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
2 Independence Party (Iceland)
1 Det Konservative Folkeparti

[Hans-im-Glück]

5  CDS-PP
4  Fianna Fáil (Ireland)
3  Independence Party (Iceland)
2  Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
1  PSD (Portugal)

[Antonio the Sixth]

5 Epic Fail
4 CDS-PP
3 CDH
2 VVD
1 Nationalist Party

[Napoleon]

5 Christian Democratic Appeal
4 Fianna Fail
3 Conservative People's Party
2 Venstre
1 Nationalist Party

[Antonio the Sixth]

Fianna Fail (Ireland) and Centre Démocrate Humaniste (Belgium) are out

FF : 38
CDH : 29
DISY : 18
CDS-PP : 14
D : 14
PN : 7
C : 6
CDA : 5
CSV : 4
Kok : 3
PSD : 3
VVD : 3
FG : 2
UMP : 2
V : 2




- Austrian People's Party
- Christen-Democratisch en Vlaams (Belgium)
- Centre démocrate humaniste (Belgium)
- Democratic Rally (Cyprus)
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- Union for a Popular Movement (France)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- New Democracy (Greece)
- Independence Party (Iceland)
- Fine Gael (Ireland)
- Fianna Fáil (Ireland)
- The People of Freedom (Italy)
- Future and Freedom for Italy
- Christian Social People's Party (Luxembourg)
- Nationalist Party (Malta)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Christian Democratic Appeal (Netherlands)
- Conservative Party (Norway)
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Social Democratic Party (Portugal)
- Democratic and Social Centre – People's Party (Portugal)
- People's Party (Spain)
- Moderate Party (Sweden) Immune for rounds 3-6
- Christian Democrats (Sweden)
- Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland
- Conservative Party (UK)

Round 5 begins. You have 6 votes to eliminate and 4 votes to keep. You can cast between 1 and 2 votes for each party. 2 parties will be eliminated.