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« on: March 15, 2011, 03:19:30 AM »

http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/columnists/milbank/article_9ea8b181-9dcb-5f55-8fb1-5070584215a9.html

I noticed the accent switch in his Iowa speech.  But this brings up some legitimate points.  Then again, Romney made even greater leaps before 08.
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2011, 06:40:36 AM »

Definitely some similarities between Pawlenty's campaign and Romney 2008.  Of course, that's been clear for a while now.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2011, 07:41:04 AM »

ugh

The article already mentions how he was elected here by completely ignoring his positions on social issues. 

Then he changes color to fit the Bible-thumpers in Iowa...

He's a slimy, smarmy chameleon.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2011, 08:15:22 AM »

Does anyone actually takes T-Paw seriously?

Really. Anyone?
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 10:06:09 AM »

Does anyone actually takes T-Paw seriously?

Really. Anyone?

An increasing number of pundits, whose opinion sways many
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2011, 10:48:32 AM »

Dat dang Carpetbagga needs to stop stealin ma accent! (I do speak a heavilly annoying  Florida cracker dialect)

Its a welcome change-between him, Paul Ryan, and Michelle Bachman, I cant tell who sounds worse.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 03:12:52 PM »

Does anyone actually takes T-Paw seriously?

Really. Anyone?

If Huckabee and Palin don't run, their 35% in most polls has to go to someone, right?
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 04:22:07 PM »

T-Paw is starting to remind me of Woody Allen's Zelig - he just morphs himself to everyone. He's a Tea Partier, He's Evangelical, He's Southern, He's Wisconiner.

I look forward to seeing Tim come here to California, when he will become a surfer dude
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2011, 04:52:02 PM »

Does anyone actually takes T-Paw seriously?

Really. Anyone?

If Huckabee and Palin don't run, their 35% in most polls has to go to someone, right?

Today's ppp poll shows that with those two out of the race, he jumps from 5% all the way up to 6%.

Love Zelig.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 04:59:42 PM »

Does anyone actually takes T-Paw seriously?

Really. Anyone?
If Intrade is to be believed, he is Romney's big competitor Wink
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2011, 08:58:54 AM »

Does anyone actually takes T-Paw seriously?

Really. Anyone?

If Huckabee and Palin don't run, their 35% in most polls has to go to someone, right?

Today's ppp poll shows that with those two out of the race, he jumps from 5% all the way up to 6%.

Love Zelig.

True, but that with two of the highest-profile candidates out of the race no one topped 24% in that poll isn't exactly a bad sign for someone like Pawlenty. Putting Ron Paul's 12% in its appropriate little box in the corner, the lack of a solid front-runner (and the massive issues facing the two relevant candidates ahead of him) leaves Pawlenty in decent position to become a John Kerry-style "everybody's second choice" candidate. He's a hell of a lot less likely to come crashing down than either candidate ahead of him. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2011, 01:58:17 AM »

I see T-Paw running for VP or for 2016.
He's just not taken seriously as a leader.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 01:03:04 PM »

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/tim-pawlenty-going-to-carolina-in-his-voice-audio.php

Wow.  That's a thick Southern drawl.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011, 01:30:17 PM »

Pawlenty's drawl is so thick he makes Haley Barbour sound like Tim Palwenty in New Hampshire.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2011, 02:03:17 PM »

Pawlenty's drawl is so thick he makes Haley Barbour sound like Tim Palwenty in New Hampshire.

I will never vote for him now. He proved how fake he is.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2011, 02:56:07 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2011, 05:34:03 PM »

Does anyone actually takes T-Paw seriously?

Really. Anyone?

Chris Cillizza and our own Keystone Phil. Must be a Catholic thing.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2011, 07:25:50 PM »


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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2011, 08:45:35 PM »

Maybe the only thing less surprising than Hillary acting Southern in that campaign would be her doing it playfully and FOX intentionally showing it out of context to make it look like she was serious.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2011, 12:57:43 AM »


Wow, just wow.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2011, 03:40:21 PM »

Pawlenty has no distinguishing traits. He is like Romney without a record in a populous state, with no "businessman" credentials, without frontrunner status, without media backing, without millions of dollars to self fund with. Hell, Romney himself, for all his advantages, is at the top of his game right now. He has enough skeletons in his closet to fill a graveyard, and the instant his opponents start going after him his "frontrunner" status is going down the toilet (along with most of his other advantages, like being considered "serious" by the media).

Oh, and if Palin and Huckabee don't run, their support mostly goes straight to Gingrich, Romney, and Paul (in that order), them being the "serious candidates" (Paul less so, but he is certainly more front runnerish than the second tier clowns like Pawlenty posturing and posing as utterly indistinguishable tea party clones with no strong sets of allies). And Romney is almost certainly going to see his support from Palin and Huckabee disappear once his opponents (in this case, Gingrich and Paul) begin attacking him (especially when they focus on his flip flopping on abortion, a huge issue among Huckster supporters). Gingrich would get support from rank and file Republicans and would probably be the default mainstream candidate if Romney fell apart. Romney is currently doing well with moderate Republicans and conservatives who don't know better. Paul is getting the usual dedicated Libertarian and extremely Conservative supporters (think Birchers) in addition to anti-war Republicans (a growing force). He will probably get plenty of support from Huckster supporters who don't go for Gingrich (Huckabee and Paul have a bit of a strange relationship: they made deals in some of the primaries earlier, Huckabee stole a bunch of Paul's talking points a while back, Huck doesn't mock Ron like, say, Romney does, and going by online Huckabee supporter forums, most of his supporters are also quite fine with Ron Paul too, so Huckabee not running would be great for Paul). Palin's supporters are a complete wildcard, since I dunno what they think she stands for, but I don't see her backing the "establishment" so she would either back Paul (a huge bonus for him) or she wouldn't back anyone.

Anyway, unless one of the second or third tier candidates actually distinguishes themselves (as Paul did in 2008 with his unusual views gaining him fame/popularity and Kucinich partially managed for the same reasons), it looks like a race without Huck and Palin would be a reasonably tight race between Romney, Gingrich and Paul.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2011, 05:40:27 PM »
« Edited: March 21, 2011, 05:44:51 PM by Joementum »

Edit: (smartphone=edit up here) not sure how valuable endorsements are in the end.  Gore endorsed Dean.  Huckabee endorsed Vander Plaats.  So...

As I've posted elsewhere, I think Bachmann is likely to run, stand out as a woman/lunatic, and pick up a bunch of Huckabee and Palin support if they don't run.  I think if the media and Teadia grew increasingly obsessed with Michele, Palin is likely to try to position herself as her #1 advocate so that she is part of the story instead of dumped for the new girl if that makes sense.  I feel like Huckabee would likely stuml for Barbour, someone he sounds fond of and someone whose elevated status would be relatively less of a conflict with his own interests if he wants to keep 2016 options open (as opposed to say Pawlenty; Gingrich probably safest but I'd bet on Barbour or maybe the biggest threat to Romney).  Anyway, I roughly agree with Bourbon that Pawlenty, his Evangelical Christianity and Thune's exit notwithstanding, faces stiff competition for the voters he'd need to get airborne in Iowa.  Santorum too.  He arguably has a fiscally and socially conservative record in office and no cardinal sins but he did enthusiastically support Cap and Trade (renounces it now) citing Jimmy Carter as a model for policy, he said "the era of small government is over" though he claims he was just quoting David Brooks, he is responsible for allowing a pedophile to open a daycare center in his home, he's a bore, his unfavorables are weirdly high among Republicans given their low familiarity with him and he got busted faking a persona.  It wouldn't be earthshattering surprise if he won Iowa but his path is much more obstructed than Huckabee's was in 2008.
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2011, 06:44:13 PM »

What exactly is Pawlenty known for, other than being "Generic Republican Governor: Minnesota Edition?"
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2011, 10:56:57 PM »

Pawlenty has no distinguishing traits. He is like Romney without a record in a populous state, with no "businessman" credentials, without frontrunner status, without media backing, without millions of dollars to self fund with. Hell, Romney himself, for all his advantages, is at the top of his game right now. He has enough skeletons in his closet to fill a graveyard, and the instant his opponents start going after him his "frontrunner" status is going down the toilet (along with most of his other advantages, like being considered "serious" by the media).

Oh, and if Palin and Huckabee don't run, their support mostly goes straight to Gingrich, Romney, and Paul (in that order), them being the "serious candidates" (Paul less so, but he is certainly more front runnerish than the second tier clowns like Pawlenty posturing and posing as utterly indistinguishable tea party clones with no strong sets of allies). And Romney is almost certainly going to see his support from Palin and Huckabee disappear once his opponents (in this case, Gingrich and Paul) begin attacking him (especially when they focus on his flip flopping on abortion, a huge issue among Huckster supporters). Gingrich would get support from rank and file Republicans and would probably be the default mainstream candidate if Romney fell apart. Romney is currently doing well with moderate Republicans and conservatives who don't know better. Paul is getting the usual dedicated Libertarian and extremely Conservative supporters (think Birchers) in addition to anti-war Republicans (a growing force). He will probably get plenty of support from Huckster supporters who don't go for Gingrich (Huckabee and Paul have a bit of a strange relationship: they made deals in some of the primaries earlier, Huckabee stole a bunch of Paul's talking points a while back, Huck doesn't mock Ron like, say, Romney does, and going by online Huckabee supporter forums, most of his supporters are also quite fine with Ron Paul too, so Huckabee not running would be great for Paul). Palin's supporters are a complete wildcard, since I dunno what they think she stands for, but I don't see her backing the "establishment" so she would either back Paul (a huge bonus for him) or she wouldn't back anyone.

Anyway, unless one of the second or third tier candidates actually distinguishes themselves (as Paul did in 2008 with his unusual views gaining him fame/popularity and Kucinich partially managed for the same reasons), it looks like a race without Huck and Palin would be a reasonably tight race between Romney, Gingrich and Paul.
Not sure why you think Gingrich is better at campaigning than Barbour.  Newt's been out of the game a long time and I don't think many people like him, even in the GOP. 
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2011, 11:02:36 PM »

Pawlenty likes to provide money to fix bridges after they collapse.
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