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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2011, 07:16:18 PM »

It's interesting to see how all of the "Christians" are trying to keep the "weird kid" out of their little club.
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2011, 07:35:34 PM »

I wonder how a Jehova's Witnesses poll like this would go.
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2011, 08:21:47 PM »

It's interesting to see how all of the "Christians" are trying to keep the "weird kid" out of their little club.

Such a designation is really irrevelent unless you believe in exclusivity. It's a simple matter of categorization for me, at least, not a judgment on Mormonism.
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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2011, 08:33:29 PM »

I wonder how a Jehovah's Witnesses poll like this would go.

While their missionaries can be as irritating as the Mormons, except for other Christian groups who believe that they are the only true Christians (as the Witnesses do), I think most Christians would count them as Christians.
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2011, 09:01:16 PM »

I wonder how a Jehovah's Witnesses poll like this would go.

While their missionaries can be as irritating as the Mormons, except for other Christian groups who believe that they are the only true Christians (as the Witnesses do), I think most Christians would count them as Christians.

Unless they use the Trinitarian standard.
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« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2011, 09:08:27 PM »


True, but unlike the Mormons, they don't have additional books of scripture besides the Bible.  I can see someone thinking they both are Christian, neither is Christian, or that JW is Christian but LDS is not.  I can't see anyone thinking Mormons are Christian while Witnesses are not, with the possible exception of any extreme Mormons who think that all non-Mormons are also non-Christian.
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2011, 10:02:53 AM »

Do Mormons (I don't know any) refer to themselves as Christians?
Yes they do.  Indeed, at one time they did not care to be called Mormons, but for the most part they have no problem with that now. (Some of the Latter Day Saint groups still do.)

Actually, Ernest, we're literally besieged with radio commercials for the Mormon religion and those in the commercials constantly say "and I'm a Mormon".........
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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2011, 10:47:05 AM »

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Gramps, the lawyer sees nothing in the above text which precludes interim visits. Got many more for me?  Tongue
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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2011, 11:32:04 AM »

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Gramps, the lawyer sees nothing in the above text which precludes interim visits. Got many more for me?  Tongue

Christians don't believe in interim visits........how do you argue with a belief, Tore?  Wink
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2011, 11:40:00 AM »

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Gramps, the lawyer sees nothing in the above text which precludes interim visits. Got many more for me?  Tongue

Christians don't believe in interim visits........how do you argue with a belief, Tore?  Wink

I am just working with the texts you offer up Gramps. Sure if you believe that the universe has only three one way trips in the offing (two of which tickets have already been punched) just because, yes, that is the time in the discussion when  you say, well you have been blessed with the gift of a leap of faith with which I was not, and then pass the bong. JMO. Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2011, 12:03:59 PM »

Do Mormons (I don't know any) refer to themselves as Christians?
Yes they do.  Indeed, at one time they did not care to be called Mormons, but for the most part they have no problem with that now. (Some of the Latter Day Saint groups still do.)

Actually, Ernest, we're literally besieged with radio commercials for the Mormon religion and those in the commercials constantly say "and I'm a Mormon".........

I guess that you are listening to the "wrong" radio stations then Gramps. For me it is classical, or hard core rock, or Michael Medved/Hugh  Hewitt (there you are subject to the gold bug heist commercials ad nauseam) once in awhile.
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2011, 12:07:15 PM »

Oh God, I've been seeing far too many of those stupid "I'm a Mormon" ads too, they're on YouTube now. What is the point of them? I've even seen them at bus stops here, not exactly a good decision on behalf of the Metro Council to accept them as that is basically just asking for vandalism.
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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2011, 01:39:19 PM »

Do Mormons (I don't know any) refer to themselves as Christians?
Yes they do.  Indeed, at one time they did not care to be called Mormons, but for the most part they have no problem with that now. (Some of the Latter Day Saint groups still do.)

Actually, Ernest, we're literally besieged with radio commercials for the Mormon religion and those in the commercials constantly say "and I'm a Mormon".........

I guess that you are listening to the "wrong" radio stations then Gramps. For me it is classical, or hard core rock, or Michael Medved/Hugh  Hewitt (there you are subject to the gold bug heist commercials ad nauseam) once in awhile.

I listen to an all sports station, Torie.......... KDKA FM 93.7 The Fan.........given what $$$$$ the mormons drop in their coffers, I'm sure they're the most welcome sponsor.
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2011, 01:51:23 PM »

Oh God, I've been seeing far too many of those stupid "I'm a Mormon" ads too, they're on YouTube now. What is the point of them?

proselytize
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1. To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.
2. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.
v.tr.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.

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As a government entity they have to accept all religious advertisers or none of them - are you that unfamiliar with the standards by which a secular government has to be run?
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« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2011, 02:10:27 PM »

This is an interesting wiki piece
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« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2011, 02:36:54 PM »
« Edited: March 01, 2011, 03:30:37 PM by True Federalist »

Do Mormons (I don't know any) refer to themselves as Christians?
Yes they do.  Indeed, at one time they did not care to be called Mormons, but for the most part they have no problem with that now. (Some of the Latter Day Saint groups still do.)

Actually, Ernest, we're literally besieged with radio commercials for the Mormon religion and those in the commercials constantly say "and I'm a Mormon".........

Yes, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has embraced the term "Mormon" but some who hold the Book of Mormon to be scripture are not part of the church Brigham Young led out to Utah, while others have fractured off later. So just because the largest group of Mormons is fine with the term does not mean that all Mormons are.
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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2011, 02:44:38 PM »

Do Mormons (I don't know any) refer to themselves as Christians?
Yes they do.  Indeed, at one time they did not care to be called Mormons, but for the most part they have no problem with that now. (Some of the Latter Day Saint groups still do.)

Actually, Ernest, we're literally besieged with radio commercials for the Mormon religion and those in the commercials constantly say "and I'm a Mormon".........

Yes, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has embraced the term "Mormon" but some who hold the Book of Mormon to be scripture are not part of the church Brigham Young led out to Utah, while others have fractured off later. So just because the largest group pf Mormons is fine with the term does not mean that all Mormons are.

I didn't mean to imply otherwise, but gotcha!
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« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2011, 12:53:37 AM »

Mormons don't believe that Christ died or was resurrected more than once.  They do believe that he visited North America after his ascension. As a Christian I have no problem with that possibility. The question of who Christ is though is crucial to me, and here there is a major difference with Mormonism, which views Christ as not equal with God and as not someone to be prayed to - that's almost where I would draw the line, but I think the importance of Christ to the religion (who is much more primary than for Muslims, for example) probably means I would call them Christians in some sense.
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« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2011, 10:30:41 AM »

Mormons don't believe that Christ died or was resurrected more than once.  They do believe that he visited North America after his ascension. As a Christian I have no problem with that possibility. The question of who Christ is though is crucial to me, and here there is a major difference with Mormonism, which views Christ as not equal with God and as not someone to be prayed to - that's almost where I would draw the line, but I think the importance of Christ to the religion (who is much more primary than for Muslims, for example) probably means I would call them Christians in some sense.

Nicely stated opinion, shua.

As to the bolded part......I think the initial question was not asking if we view them as Christians in some sense though, hence, my "no".......which I still believe, but maybe that's exactly what the OP was asking.

If they want to call themselves Christians......fine by me.  I have no problems with other religions at all.
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« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2011, 10:05:43 PM »

This is one of those things I get ever-so-pigheaded about. Mormons are Christians. Full stop.

Now as an orthodox Christian I naturally believe Joseph Smith's flock are terribly kooky. But the fact remains that if the word "Christian" is going to have any logical meaning, it has to mean simply a person, any person, whose faith is built and centered upon the historical figure of Jesus. And if you meet that criterion then I don't care how much of a hellbound heretic you are, you're a Christian. 
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« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2011, 11:59:23 PM »

I have had since rocks cooled an inclination to eschew fights over capture the word. That is why you never see me participating in debates about what a "conservative" is, or a "liberal," and just who hews to which label, etc. It accomplishes nothing, and bores me. But that does not mean I am not curious what others think. What others think, their subjective reality, has objective consequences, so I don't think my curiosity is idle regarding the capture game, although there is nothing wrong with idle curiously, and I do indulge in it often. Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2011, 12:00:16 AM »

Christians yes but also heretics.
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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2011, 07:42:13 AM »

I have had since rocks cooled an inclination to eschew fights over capture the word. That is why you never see me participating in debates about what a "conservative" is, or a "liberal," and just who hews to which label, etc. It accomplishes nothing, and bores me. But that does not mean I am not curious what others think. What others think, their subjective reality, has objective consequences, so I don't think my curiosity is idle regarding the capture game, although there is nothing wrong with idle curiously, and I do indulge in it often. Smiley

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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2011, 09:31:37 AM »


Ok, now that's one of the better descriptions I've read.  Nice.
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« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2011, 11:22:22 AM »

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, commonly referred to as Mormons, are, obviously, Christians.

The term Mormon derives from the Church's belief in the scriptural Book of Mormon.  The Church as well accepts as scripture the Holy Bible, and uses the King James version.
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