Dallasfan65's MA Town Map Thread

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Can anyone do a New England town map of Obama-Clinton, Obama-Trump, Romney-Clinton, Romney-Trump?

Dallas? Anyone?

Probably not to be honest. I would definitely still do maps (on request) but I find modern politics too monotonous and stratified to work up the motivation for such a task. Anything from 1990 and before I'd be happy to do, provided I have the data.

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Can anyone do a New England town map of Obama-Clinton, Obama-Trump, Romney-Clinton, Romney-Trump?

Dallas? Anyone?

Probably not to be honest. I would definitely still do maps (on request) but I find modern politics too monotonous and stratified to work up the motivation for such a task. Anything from 1990 and before I'd be happy to do, provided I have the data.

Dallas, if I'm correct, you use MS paint or some other manual fill-in program, correct?

I may be able to find a way to do nclib's request on some free software that's more "data science" oriented and thus wouldn't actually require me to do any work, so long as someone points me in the direction of where I can get the data itself for free. It'd  be my first time actually "mapping" for Atlas outside of alternate timelines and really old/irrelevant primaries. That said, my Saturdays are spent on unrelated history stuff, so I may not have the time/motivation either.

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Can anyone do a New England town map of Obama-Clinton, Obama-Trump, Romney-Clinton, Romney-Trump?

Dallas? Anyone?

Probably not to be honest. I would definitely still do maps (on request) but I find modern politics too monotonous and stratified to work up the motivation for such a task. Anything from 1990 and before I'd be happy to do, provided I have the data.

Dallas, if I'm correct, you use MS paint or some other manual fill-in program, correct?

I may be able to find a way to do nclib's request on some free software that's more "data science" oriented and thus wouldn't actually require me to do any work, so long as someone points me in the direction of where I can get the data itself for free. It'd  be my first time actually "mapping" for Atlas outside of alternate timelines and really old/irrelevant primaries. That said, my Saturdays are spent on unrelated history stuff, so I may not have the time/motivation either.

I do indeed use MS Paint. I'll try and get my hands on the appropriate data tomorrow and then I'll PM it your way.

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Can anyone do a New England town map of Obama-Clinton, Obama-Trump, Romney-Clinton, Romney-Trump?

Dallas? Anyone?

Probably not to be honest. I would definitely still do maps (on request) but I find modern politics too monotonous and stratified to work up the motivation for such a task. Anything from 1990 and before I'd be happy to do, provided I have the data.

Dallas, if I'm correct, you use MS paint or some other manual fill-in program, correct?

I may be able to find a way to do nclib's request on some free software that's more "data science" oriented and thus wouldn't actually require me to do any work, so long as someone points me in the direction of where I can get the data itself for free. It'd  be my first time actually "mapping" for Atlas outside of alternate timelines and really old/irrelevant primaries. That said, my Saturdays are spent on unrelated history stuff, so I may not have the time/motivation either.

I do indeed use MS Paint. I'll try and get my hands on the appropriate data tomorrow and then I'll PM it your way.

Thanks, Hoss.

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Dallas, do you have any data on 1825–76? I have everything earlier through Tufts and everything after through the Secretary of the Commonwealth's publications, but can't find anything for that period and don't want to go through each town's records individually.

I recently redrew the state map based on the 1830 surveys and would like to start filling in results from the Jacksonian Era.

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Dallas, do you have any data on 1825–76? I have everything earlier through Tufts and everything after through the Secretary of the Commonwealth's publications, but can't find anything for that period and don't want to go through each town's records individually.

I recently redrew the state map based on the 1830 surveys and would like to start filling in results from the Jacksonian Era.

I think I found some Vermont data from 1860 a long time ago but I can't remember where it was. Other than that, I don't.

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Finally finished this old gal!

EDIT: Does anybody know if a map of New England in the 1936 Presidential Election has been done? I should have access to most of the data (I own a physical copy of Vermont's) and could do it.

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anyone got an empty Vermont town map I can play with? I was to put the 1912 results in

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anyone got an empty Vermont town map I can play with? I was to put the 1912 results in

You can do it if you like, but if that data is available then I'm going to do a composite of 1912 election in New England as a whole.

[Hnv1]

anyone got an empty Vermont town map I can play with? I was to put the 1912 results in

You can do it if you like, but if that data is available then I'm going to do a composite of 1912 election in New England as a whole.

I only have data on Vermont, I wish I had all of NE 1912 town data

[Hnv1]

Vermont 1912, I was never really good with colour schemes and shadings...

Indigo is a tie between GOP and Prog.
pink is a tie between Prog. and Dem.

The map isn't perfect as there were some boundaries changed since 1912 it seems (especially around Burlington).

there are traces of regional patterns but nothing really clear cut. Burlington and around was more dem friendly as were some places bordering NH.  Teddy did well all around but especially closer to Canada. GOP were pretty strong in the state capital and around and had enough ancestral support to clinch it from Teddy.

Barre town was bizarre. 4 parties (Debs finished third) all with around 25% of the vote. It was also the only place in Vermont where Debs did well. Anyone can explain this historic oddity?

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Vermont 1912, I was never really good with colour schemes and shadings...

Indigo is a tie between GOP and Prog.
pink is a tie between Prog. and Dem.

The map isn't perfect as there were some boundaries changed since 1912 it seems (especially around Burlington).

there are traces of regional patterns but nothing really clear cut. Burlington and around was more dem friendly as were some places bordering NH.  Teddy did well all around but especially closer to Canada. GOP were pretty strong in the state capital and around and had enough ancestral support to clinch it from Teddy.

Barre town was bizarre. 4 parties (Debs finished third) all with around 25% of the vote. It was also the only place in Vermont where Debs did well. Anyone can explain this historic oddity?

There was a Socialist debate hall in Barre. You can see it in 1916 as well:



I did Vermont in 1912 on my own and I'm currently working on New Hampshire. The whole map should be finished in a week or two.

[Hnv1]

Vermont 1912, I was never really good with colour schemes and shadings...

Indigo is a tie between GOP and Prog.
pink is a tie between Prog. and Dem.

The map isn't perfect as there were some boundaries changed since 1912 it seems (especially around Burlington).

there are traces of regional patterns but nothing really clear cut. Burlington and around was more dem friendly as were some places bordering NH.  Teddy did well all around but especially closer to Canada. GOP were pretty strong in the state capital and around and had enough ancestral support to clinch it from Teddy.

Barre town was bizarre. 4 parties (Debs finished third) all with around 25% of the vote. It was also the only place in Vermont where Debs did well. Anyone can explain this historic oddity?

There was a Socialist debate hall in Barre. You can see it in 1916 as well:



I did Vermont in 1912 on my own and I'm currently working on New Hampshire. The whole map should be finished in a week or two.

I love those minor historic quirks. What did you with the Burlington area? They changed the boundaries of S. Burlington since

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Vermont 1912, I was never really good with colour schemes and shadings...

Indigo is a tie between GOP and Prog.
pink is a tie between Prog. and Dem.

The map isn't perfect as there were some boundaries changed since 1912 it seems (especially around Burlington).

there are traces of regional patterns but nothing really clear cut. Burlington and around was more dem friendly as were some places bordering NH.  Teddy did well all around but especially closer to Canada. GOP were pretty strong in the state capital and around and had enough ancestral support to clinch it from Teddy.

Barre town was bizarre. 4 parties (Debs finished third) all with around 25% of the vote. It was also the only place in Vermont where Debs did well. Anyone can explain this historic oddity?

There was a Socialist debate hall in Barre. You can see it in 1916 as well:



I did Vermont in 1912 on my own and I'm currently working on New Hampshire. The whole map should be finished in a week or two.

I love those minor historic quirks. What did you with the Burlington area? They changed the boundaries of S. Burlington since

I wasn't aware of that. Was it a particularly meaningful change?

I do edit my early Massachusetts maps to have the towns that got destroyed when the Quabbin Reservoir was made.

[Hnv1]

Vermont 1912, I was never really good with colour schemes and shadings...

Indigo is a tie between GOP and Prog.
pink is a tie between Prog. and Dem.

The map isn't perfect as there were some boundaries changed since 1912 it seems (especially around Burlington).

there are traces of regional patterns but nothing really clear cut. Burlington and around was more dem friendly as were some places bordering NH.  Teddy did well all around but especially closer to Canada. GOP were pretty strong in the state capital and around and had enough ancestral support to clinch it from Teddy.

Barre town was bizarre. 4 parties (Debs finished third) all with around 25% of the vote. It was also the only place in Vermont where Debs did well. Anyone can explain this historic oddity?

There was a Socialist debate hall in Barre. You can see it in 1916 as well:



I did Vermont in 1912 on my own and I'm currently working on New Hampshire. The whole map should be finished in a week or two.

I love those minor historic quirks. What did you with the Burlington area? They changed the boundaries of S. Burlington since

I wasn't aware of that. Was it a particularly meaningful change?

I do edit my early Massachusetts maps to have the towns that got destroyed when the Quabbin Reservoir was made.

It’s hard to tell, maybe a mail to the SoS is in order, it was a tiny village back then and I think the area to the east of Burlington wasn’t a part of it

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This map is from 1869. It doesn't look any different to me. Are you sure you aren't thinking of Winooski, which was incorporated from Colchester in the 20's?

It's also worth mentioning that a lot of towns in that area of the template include water anyway.

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This map is from 1869. It doesn't look any different to me. Are you sure you aren't thinking of Winooski, which was incorporated from Colchester in the 20's?

It's also worth mentioning that a lot of towns in that area of the template include water anyway.

Yes I noticed Winooski, I simply coloured both according to the Colchester figures. I’ll look again at the file because I recall some peculiarity around Burlington from the south and east. Could be that I miscalculated due to neglect of noticing how water shaped the actual town shape. I guess we’ll see if there would a discrepancy between our maps

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Map dump:

[RI]

If it's not too much trouble, would it be possible to do a 1924-1928 swing or trend map?

[Geoffrey Howe]

6 months and two posts. Still say it needs to be unstickied, no matter how good of a map maker Dallas fan was (emphasis 'was').

Not to wax my own car, but I'd contend that it's still better material than "Describe a Clinton 92/Dole 96/Gore 00 voter?" or "Describe a Goldwater-Obama voter." Unless that's the content you think should be on the first page of this board.

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With RI included

Makes me wonder if Hartland Town, CT has always voted Republican. Also, how come so many towns voted for Goldwater in New Hampshire?!

A lot of those towns are in Carroll County, which was simply rock-ribbed Republican. Nixon got nearly 80% of the vote here in 1960... also I'm almost positive I added Vermont to this map at some point.

Do you have any idea for why this was about Carroll County?
I had a topic about it here: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=432425.0

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If it's not too much trouble, would it be possible to do a 1924-1928 swing or trend map?

If I had saved the data then I could have. 😕

I can do that eventually but right now I'm trying to just get all of the presidential elections done, at least until the Eighties. After that I can tackle some swing stuff.

6 months and two posts. Still say it needs to be unstickied, no matter how good of a map maker Dallas fan was (emphasis 'was').

Not to wax my own car, but I'd contend that it's still better material than "Describe a Clinton 92/Dole 96/Gore 00 voter?" or "Describe a Goldwater-Obama voter." Unless that's the content you think should be on the first page of this board.

snip

With RI included

Makes me wonder if Hartland Town, CT has always voted Republican. Also, how come so many towns voted for Goldwater in New Hampshire?!

A lot of those towns are in Carroll County, which was simply rock-ribbed Republican. Nixon got nearly 80% of the vote here in 1960... also I'm almost positive I added Vermont to this map at some point.

Do you have any idea for why this was about Carroll County?
I had a topic about it here: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=432425.0

Lazy answer (on the bike atm), but it started becoming home to a lot of ski resorts and those places started voting Mega D in the 90s.

[Geoffrey Howe]

If it's not too much trouble, would it be possible to do a 1924-1928 swing or trend map?

If I had saved the data then I could have. 😕

I can do that eventually but right now I'm trying to just get all of the presidential elections done, at least until the Eighties. After that I can tackle some swing stuff.

6 months and two posts. Still say it needs to be unstickied, no matter how good of a map maker Dallas fan was (emphasis 'was').

Not to wax my own car, but I'd contend that it's still better material than "Describe a Clinton 92/Dole 96/Gore 00 voter?" or "Describe a Goldwater-Obama voter." Unless that's the content you think should be on the first page of this board.

snip

With RI included

Makes me wonder if Hartland Town, CT has always voted Republican. Also, how come so many towns voted for Goldwater in New Hampshire?!

A lot of those towns are in Carroll County, which was simply rock-ribbed Republican. Nixon got nearly 80% of the vote here in 1960... also I'm almost positive I added Vermont to this map at some point.

Do you have any idea for why this was about Carroll County?
I had a topic about it here: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=432425.0

Lazy answer (on the bike atm), but it started becoming home to a lot of ski resorts and those places started voting Mega D in the 90s.

I get that for the northern bit, but what about the southern bit? It's still R and was by absurd margins back then; for example, in 1964 some northern towns went for Johnson, but Goldwater did very well in the south - see Tuftonboro.

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If it's not too much trouble, would it be possible to do a 1924-1928 swing or trend map?

If I had saved the data then I could have. 😕

I can do that eventually but right now I'm trying to just get all of the presidential elections done, at least until the Eighties. After that I can tackle some swing stuff.

6 months and two posts. Still say it needs to be unstickied, no matter how good of a map maker Dallas fan was (emphasis 'was').

Not to wax my own car, but I'd contend that it's still better material than "Describe a Clinton 92/Dole 96/Gore 00 voter?" or "Describe a Goldwater-Obama voter." Unless that's the content you think should be on the first page of this board.

snip

With RI included

Makes me wonder if Hartland Town, CT has always voted Republican. Also, how come so many towns voted for Goldwater in New Hampshire?!

A lot of those towns are in Carroll County, which was simply rock-ribbed Republican. Nixon got nearly 80% of the vote here in 1960... also I'm almost positive I added Vermont to this map at some point.

Do you have any idea for why this was about Carroll County?
I had a topic about it here: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=432425.0

Lazy answer (on the bike atm), but it started becoming home to a lot of ski resorts and those places started voting Mega D in the 90s.

I get that for the northern bit, but what about the southern bit? It's still R and was by absurd margins back then; for example, in 1964 some northern towns went for Johnson, but Goldwater did very well in the south - see Tuftonboro.

OK, I've got some time on my hands and can give a little more exposition on this.

The county is politically divided between the more conservative southern half, home to several seasonal communities along the north shore of Lake Winnipesaukee including Moultonborough, Tuftonboro, and Wolfeboro, and the more liberal northern half, with several ski towns and resort towns such as Bartlett and Conway. In both the 2012 Presidential and gubernatorial elections in New Hampshire, Democratic candidates easily won the northern half of the county, and Republican candidates easily won the southern half of the county.

source

Let's look at Bartlett real quick.

1976: Gerald Ford, 67.66%
1980: Ronald Reagan, 62.87%
1984: Ronald Reagan, 69.02%
1988: George HW Bush, 65.82%
1992: Bill Clinton, 37.13%
1996: Bill Clinton, 47.76%
2000: Al Gore, 48.98%
2004: John Kerry, 56.12%

As forementioned, seems like your typical ski place: started voting D in the 90's and never looked back. Hope that helps.

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Another map dump: