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« on: February 07, 2011, 05:43:24 PM »

Obama decides not to run for president, instead backing Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, who beats Hillary after a prolonged primary. He picks Virginia governor Tim Kaine as his running mate, and faces off against the same GOP ticket (McCain/Palin).

The economy and everything else is the same, the only difference is the D ticket.
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2011, 05:45:19 PM »

Feingold.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2011, 06:18:17 PM »

I know that, but maps would be nice.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 06:26:59 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2011, 06:30:28 PM by Undecided on the Hitler/Lugar primary. »



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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 06:29:58 PM »



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It would look similar to the actual election. MO, IN and NC would still be pure tossups. I'm guessing Feingold couldn't replicate Obama's black turnout in NC. I'd give IN and MO to Feingold.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 10:15:29 AM »


Why?
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 02:59:44 PM »

Feingold doesn't win IN, NC, or that NE elector, but still manages a comfortable win.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2011, 03:04:28 PM »

Even though Russ is more liberal than Obama, he'd win states Obama didn't, and vice versa.

Lower black turnout means that NC goes to McCain. The Dems had been pushing for Virginia since Clinton, and so it goes to Feingold but by 2-3 points or so, still becoming a major swing state in elections. Indiana goes to McCain-Obama won it because he massively pushed the state.

On the other hand, Russ wins Missouri; white racist Democrats would probably vote for a white guy unless  they're also neo-Nazis. West Virginia also goes to Russ, and Arkansas is lean McCain.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2011, 03:05:10 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2011, 10:42:11 PM »

Feingold is generally considered (by people who aren't in love with him) to be a fairly weak candidate, right? He never won by large margins, imposed campaign finance restrictions on himself and took unpopular positions. That should reduce his popular vote margin. He'd probably run like Kerry + near uniform swing of a few points.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 06:14:57 AM »

Feingold is generally considered (by people who aren't in love with him) to be a fairly weak candidate, right? He never won by large margins, imposed campaign finance restrictions on himself and took unpopular positions. That should reduce his popular vote margin. He'd probably run like Kerry + near uniform swing of a few points.

I wouldn't quite say that. He won by a decent margin in 2004, and he did have some more popular positions to focus on-ending Iraq ASAP, banning earmarks, etc.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2011, 08:11:45 AM »

Feingold is generally considered (by people who aren't in love with him) to be a fairly weak candidate, right? He never won by large margins, imposed campaign finance restrictions on himself and took unpopular positions. That should reduce his popular vote margin. He'd probably run like Kerry + near uniform swing of a few points.

I wouldn't quite say that. He won by a decent margin in 2004, and he did have some more popular positions to focus on-ending Iraq ASAP, banning earmarks, etc.

For a bid for a third Senate term in a state carried by his party's Presidential nominee, it was nothing great. I'm not saying he'd lose or anything, just that he wouldn't be as strong a candidate as either Obama or Clinton were/would have been. Hence, he'd probably do about a point or so worse.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 06:46:10 PM »



R: 273: 49.0%
D: 265: 48.4%
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2011, 01:01:47 AM »

Feingold would not be as strong as Obama, but he would still win by a fair amount.


Russ Feingold,WI: 338 EV
John McCain,AZ: 200 EV
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 03:50:56 PM »

The democrat would have won in 2008. Plus Feingold certainly doesn't lack charisma.
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 07:48:42 PM »

A lot of backlash from Obama and the GOP trends in Arkansas, West Virginia, etc. had to do with racism. Feingold is white (albeit Jewish), so he doesn't have that problem. I'd give him Missouri, but otherwise Jackson's map is perfect.
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2011, 07:58:08 PM »



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Feingold would be hurt by anti-Jewish prejudice without getting the benefit of increased black turnout. he would have some appeal and be able to win in a generally anti-Republican environment.
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2011, 04:15:06 PM »



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Feingold would be hurt by anti-Jewish prejudice without getting the benefit of increased black turnout. he would have some appeal and be able to win in a generally anti-Republican environment.

America isn't that prejudiced against Jews.
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2011, 10:02:24 PM »



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Feingold would be hurt by anti-Jewish prejudice without getting the benefit of increased black turnout. he would have some appeal and be able to win in a generally anti-Republican environment.

America isn't that prejudiced against Jews.

in most of America, that's true, and it certainly wouldn't be the main thing going against him, but in a few states I think he could lose at least a couple percentage points from it.
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2011, 07:17:14 AM »

Wouldn't the Judaism benefit him in FL?
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