Pacific Supreme Council Thread

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

And the last vote.......

He has three hours.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

The vote is closed on the Council Guidelines, a vote of 3 ayes, 0 nays, and 1 abstention.  The floor is now open to proposing new legislation.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Excellent!  


I would like to put up a bill for consideration:

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This bill is designed to improve health care costs in low income areas, by taxing a product which can be a bit of a drag on our system (except in the case of Medical Marijuana).  Due to the increasing demand of doctors and costs which rocket ever higher, we must insure that our hospitals (in the poorest of places) are up to speed on supplies and staff.  This tax would fund exactly that.

I give up the floor.  

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

I will give 24 hours for any other legislation to be proposed, then open up debate.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Debate is now open on the Taxation of Marijuana Act.

[Хahar 🤔]

I would support putting the same tax on tobacco and alcohol.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

I would support putting the same tax on tobacco and alcohol.

That's a good idea.  Funny story, I actually took alcohol and tobacco taxes so for granted in the political system that I didn't check to see if we had any before I wrote the bill.  It turns out we don't, so I'd be willing to support your amendment.

  lol

[RI]

I would support putting the same tax on tobacco and alcohol.

I was going to suggest the same thing. For that matter, the Pacific has a number of other legal drugs that could be included as well.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

You guys had great suggestions.  Here's a new bill, which takes place of "The Taxation of Marijuana Act"

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Anything else?

[CatoMinor]

Perhaps we would have the money to fund that medical stuff if the region did not fund friggan  abortions where rape, incest, or life of mother being at stake are not involved. I can see where you guys are coming from as far as having the right to choose, I strongly disagree with how you look at it, but I can still see where you are coming from. What I cannot understand is how people derive some right out of nowhere to have the region 100% fund the abortions of spoiled brats trying to get out of taking responsibility for their actions.

If you could amend the bill to cover the costs by cutting the spending in places like that, that is just ridiculous, instead of raising taxes that would hurt poor people I would support it. Lets face it, the items being taxed are addictive, so most people will still be buying them, and poor people would not be an exception.

[RI]

I would like to offer the following changes:

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I'll introduce another bill to address JBrase's concerns.

[RI]

A couple more bills I'd like to introduce when we're done with this one:

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I'm sorry if I did this out of order.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

I would like to offer the following changes:

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I amended the bill so districts with up to $40,000  (average income) will receive funding, just to make sure.  

[RI]

So how long until we vote on this? Tonight?

[Fuzzybigfoot]

So how long until we vote on this? Tonight?

I guess.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

I will call a vote on Fuzzy's bill tonight and continue debate on realistic's bills.  I'll wait till Monday to call a vote on that.  The vote for Fuzzy's bill will beging approximately at 7 PM tonight and end on Sunday at 7 PM (I won't be here on Saturday).

[CatoMinor]

nay

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Aye

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Btw, debate may continue on Realistic's proposed group of bills.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

A couple more bills I'd like to introduce when we're done with this one:

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I'm sorry if I did this out of order.

The two following bills are of some concern to me.  Yes, I personally disapprove of abortion, but there are many other factors to take into effect.  Will the child grow up in a safe and comfortable environment?  Are these people really ready to parent?   Can these folks be able to support a child without massive government assistance?  No is often the answer to these questions.  Although I find any sort of abortion disgusting, the consequence(s) of banning them from our coverage could do even more damage in the long run.   

[Хahar 🤔]

Yea

[CatoMinor]

The two following bills are of some concern to me.  Yes, I personally disapprove of abortion, but there are many other factors to take into effect.  Will the child grow up in a safe and comfortable environment?  Are these people really ready to parent?   Can these folks be able to support a child without massive government assistance?  No is often the answer to these questions.  Although I find any sort of abortion disgusting, the consequence(s) of banning them from our coverage could do even more damage in the long run.   

Adoption, foster care, orphanages ect are all much better options than death. It is not right to punish the unborn for the shortcomings of their parents.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

The two following bills are of some concern to me.  Yes, I personally disapprove of abortion, but there are many other factors to take into effect.  Will the child grow up in a safe and comfortable environment?  Are these people really ready to parent?   Can these folks be able to support a child without massive government assistance?  No is often the answer to these questions.  Although I find any sort of abortion disgusting, the consequence(s) of banning them from our coverage could do even more damage in the long run.   

Adoption, foster care, orphanages ect are all much better options than death. It is not right to punish the unborn for the shortcomings of their parents.

Being born can definitely be even worse punishment, if the mother is using drugs while pregnant, or if the parents are really abusive and don't want to put up with a child. 

By the way, if this bill passes it will also ban abortions during the first trimester (when the fetus does not even have a heartbeat) from public health care treatment options.  That would definitely be a stretch.

[RI]

Aye on fuzzy's bill.

[RI]

By the way, if this bill passes it will also ban abortions during the first trimester (when the fetus does not even have a heartbeat) from public health care treatment options.  That would definitely be a stretch.

Actually, I intentionally made my bills very specific. The only sections of the Public Funding of Abortion Act that would be repealed would be the one specifically for taxpayer subsidized abortions and the section that legalizes partial-birth abortion. I would have liked to have repealed the whole thing, but I want to be realistic about what can be done here.

As for my bills, they do not ban abortions in the first trimester. I did not repeal the subsidies to reproductive health clinics for maintenance, and I did not ban abortion in the third trimester again. I think that both of those things should happen, but that is not what is currently on the table.