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« on: November 22, 2004, 03:36:56 PM »

After having watched this I can say with certainty that the French have no right to criticize our actions in Iraq until they improve themselves. The linked video is the result of French troops opening fire on what I see to be a group of Ivorian civilians, probably protestors, who are not causing trouble. The file is large, so it will take you a while to download. It is quite disturbing, so I wouldn't watch it if you have a weak stomach.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 04:16:14 PM »

The French have never been more moral and they haven't really claimed to be either (I mean, they've said it but they didn't really expect anyone to believe it).

They've always done what's in their interest with no trace of morals.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 05:29:26 PM »

The French have never been more moral and they haven't really claimed to be either (I mean, they've said it but they didn't really expect anyone to believe it).

They've always done what's in their interest with no trace of morals.

As does everyone, in the end.

What's great about the French is they do it while eating better and with less sexual prudery.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 05:43:16 PM »

The French have never been more moral and they haven't really claimed to be either (I mean, they've said it but they didn't really expect anyone to believe it).

They've always done what's in their interest with no trace of morals.

As does everyone, in the end.

What's great about the French is they do it while eating better and with less sexual prudery.

What's worse - sexual prudery or arrogance? They tend to have a holier than thou attitude matched by very few people.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 05:48:38 PM »

They tend to have a holier than thou attitude matched by very few people.

But they're French, so it's okay. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2004, 05:57:44 PM »

The French have never been more moral and they haven't really claimed to be either (I mean, they've said it but they didn't really expect anyone to believe it).

They've always done what's in their interest with no trace of morals.

As does everyone, in the end.

What's great about the French is they do it while eating better and with less sexual prudery.

Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2004, 06:03:39 PM »

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As does everyone, in the end.

What's great about the French is they do it while eating better and with less sexual prudery.

Ah, the French pretty much equate better eating with less sexual prudery.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2004, 07:50:13 PM »

The French have never been more moral and they haven't really claimed to be either (I mean, they've said it but they didn't really expect anyone to believe it).

They've always done what's in their interest with no trace of morals.

As does everyone, in the end.

What's great about the French is they do it while eating better and with less sexual prudery.

Smiley

Hey, sweet, a French guy.  It's about time! Tongue  I've long noticed that France is the one major European country (save maybe Spain; I can't remember) that doesn't have any representatives on this board.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2004, 07:58:57 PM »

The French have never been more moral and they haven't really claimed to be either (I mean, they've said it but they didn't really expect anyone to believe it).

They've always done what's in their interest with no trace of morals.

As does everyone, in the end.

What's great about the French is they do it while eating better and with less sexual prudery.

Smiley

Welcome to the forum Julien. If you've watched the video, I'm curious as to your opinion on it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2004, 08:17:23 PM »

The French have never been more moral and they haven't really claimed to be either (I mean, they've said it but they didn't really expect anyone to believe it).

They've always done what's in their interest with no trace of morals.

As does everyone, in the end.

What's great about the French is they do it while eating better and with less sexual prudery.

Smiley

Welcome to the forum Julien. If you've watched the video, I'm curious as to your opinion on it.

Thank you for welcoming me.

I didn't watch it, it was taking a long time to download. With what I understand from your post the soldiers did the wrong thing. I think that perhaps they thought they were in danger or they might have thought that there was a guerilla in the crowd. We don't know because we were not there.

I also don't criticise the U.S. soldiers in combat in Iraq. I assume most of the American soldiers there are not bad people. They are under a lot of stress.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2004, 08:25:33 PM »

Thank you for welcoming me.

I didn't watch it, it was taking a long time to download. With what I understand from your post the soldiers did the wrong thing. I think that perhaps they thought they were in danger or they might have thought that there was a guerilla in the crowd. We don't know because we were not there.

I also don't criticise the U.S. soldiers in combat in Iraq. I assume most of the American soldiers there are not bad people. They are under a lot of stress.

Good opinion. Your countrymen could learn from such an open minded thinker like yourself.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2004, 09:05:07 PM »

Ok, how many of the people here have actually met a lot of french people?  And how many of you are just basing all your opinions off popular opinion?
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2004, 09:58:45 PM »

Ok, how many of the people here have actually met a lot of french people?  And how many of you are just basing all your opinions off popular opinion?

I can not say I have personally met any French people. However, I do know a number of people who have, and at least one who as actually been to France(my mother) - the descriptions I've been given by all these people are the stereotype, the French are rude, arrogant, and think they are better than everyone else. Stereotypes may be rude, and I don't use them when talking to individuals, but they exist because they are to an extent true.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2004, 10:05:20 PM »

The steryotypes aren't true.

I lived in France, for a total of about half a year. I don't think the people who invented Freedom Fries can compare to that.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2004, 10:11:26 PM »

The steryotypes aren't true.

I lived in France, for a total of about half a year. I don't think the people who invented Freedom Fries can compare to that.

Where in France did you live?
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2004, 10:18:48 PM »

I have met many tourists and have gone out of my way to be as nice as possible to them.

I think the stereotypes of the French are true to some extent. Many French people don't like foreigers.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2004, 10:28:05 PM »

I have met many tourists and have gone out of my way to be as nice as possible to them.

I think the stereotypes of the French are true to some extent. Many French people don't like foreigers.

As I said, the French need more like you. A lot of Europeans who come to the U.S. are just amazed at how polite we are. I think it's our consumer culture - make the customer happy and your business will prosper, and everyone is a potential customer, so it's best to be polite to everyone. Wink
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2004, 10:36:26 PM »

I think it's our consumer culture - make the customer happy and your business will prosper, and everyone is a potential customer, so it's best to be polite to everyone. Wink

I agree, I wish France was more consumer oriented. You'll never hear a store clerk tell you to have a good day here.
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2004, 10:40:18 PM »

Too bad.  Now some certain board members can't make broad stereotypes about every single French person in existence anymore. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2004, 10:53:13 PM »

I think it's our consumer culture - make the customer happy and your business will prosper, and everyone is a potential customer, so it's best to be polite to everyone. Wink

I agree, I wish France was more consumer oriented. You'll never hear a store clerk tell you to have a good day here.

It's rare for a store clerk NOT to here.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2004, 11:19:53 PM »

I lived in Nancy, Lorraine.

The steryotypes do apply to Paris. It is not a friendly environment at all.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2004, 11:32:23 PM »

Video-Sad. Shocking/Appalling/Disgusting, but maybe necessary.

Also, I know a few frencies, and they're a little arrogant, for sure. But that might be a scewed sample, they ARE all teachers. Smiley

In McDona;lds they say have a nice day. We just puke. We're freidnly people here, but "Have A Nice Day" is so American that I don't actually know anyone who likes to hear it-also, because it is compulsory, it hurts. It's more us saying G'day when we walk up to the counter, thank you to the salesperson when we pay, and them saying "Thanks mate"-but it changes. "Have A Nice Day" is just so...I'm not anti-american, but it just doesn't sit comfortably with me at all.
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2004, 11:40:13 PM »

As a completely random aside, I find it funny how the stereotypes for Canada and France are complete opposites.  Their problem is being too snooty and arrogant.  Our problem is being way too polite and humble for our own good. Smiley

Not that I'm complaining.
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2004, 01:24:58 AM »

As a completely random aside, I find it funny how the stereotypes for Canada and France are complete opposites.  Their problem is being too snooty and arrogant.  Our problem is being way too polite and humble for our own good. Smiley

Not that I'm complaining.

Quebecois have the same French stereotype though.  I think we should call them Quebeckers though.
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2004, 06:12:44 AM »

I lived in Nancy, Lorraine.

The steryotypes do apply to Paris. It is not a friendly environment at all.

I kind of figured. Paris is where most Americans go when they visit France, so it's inevitably where the stereotype evolved.
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