Populares Convention, Dec. 2010

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

I figure this is probably the appropriate thread to do this.

Everybody knows what went on yesterday - I do not feel the need to explain it. Some may have noticed I was a bit lagging in my response as Chairman, but this was intentional. Most of us had been acting on impulse yesterday (which somewhat caused this mess) and were being rash; some of us potentially saying things we did not mean, or that we regret. The best option was to hold out, let the dust settle, and allow cooler heads to prevail, rather than letting our emotions get the best of us.

The RPP placed a lot of trust in letting one of our members have access to their private board. This was for the sake of transparency, so we would always know what was being said about us behind closed doors (or rather, open ones.) In turn, we were able to read some less-than-flattering things said about certain Popularis, and the beholders took it too far in their response.

Many in the RPP are angry at the moment, and justifiably so - a lot of trust has been violated. I must express gratitude to those that do not view this as a stain on the Populares as a whole, but it will take some time to repair the damage that has been done, and the disunity that has been fostered.

I think we can all agree, however, that people make mistakes. I myself have done some rather foolish or harmful things, even in Atlasia, but people have been willing to overlook those things and give a chance for repentence. I encourage those involved to stay in Atlasia, rebuild their credibility, and most importantly: apologize to those they have wronged.

Now, wormyguy has resigned his leadership position in light of recent events. I am sure that the Deputy Whip takes the reigns in his stead, but if this is not the case then I appoint NiK as Whip - it is his prerogative as to whom he selects as Deputy Whip.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sometimes just letting the events play out is the only option and at other times when others are available it is best to let things unfold and not jump in immediately. It takes leadership and judgement, I think Dallasfan made the right decision in that regard.


I agree that when mistakes are made there are two bad paths to take, one is to ignore reality and be arrogant and obnoxious, and the other is to self-destructive and rip one's self assunder. The best approach is to admit mistakes, apologize to those you have wronged and then move on with the lessons firmly in place in one's mind going further to avoid repeting it again. In such a situation, I can see no legitimate reason for anyone to not forgive one's transgressions.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Sometimes just letting the events play out is the only option and at other times when others are available it is best to let things unfold and not jump in immediately. It takes leadership and judgement, I think Dallasfan made the right decision in that regard.


I agree that when mistakes are made there are two bad paths to take, one is to ignore reality and be arrogant and obnoxious, and the other is to self-destructive and rip one's self assunder. The best approach is to admit mistakes, apologize to those you have wronged and then move on with the lessons firmly in place in one's mind going further to avoid repeting it again. In such a situation, I can see no legitimate reason for anyone to not forgive one's transgressions.

Summed it up pretty well, Yank.

[AndrewTX]

Can someone PM me with what happened? Stupid work has kept me away from this place for most of the weekend, and I feel like I havent been here in years.

[Psychic Octopus]

I accept the role of Whip, if I must. I'll try my best.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Recently, there have been suspicions cast upon a certain member of Atlasia - one that is very well respected, infact.

As somebody whom has witnessed this first-hand (and to our own party to boot) I ask that my fellow party members exercise caution and restraint - how mad were we getting, several months ago, when this was happening to us?

Thus, unless there is some concrete proof, I ask everybody to cease promptly.

[Junkie]

Recently, there have been suspicions cast upon a certain member of Atlasia - one that is very well respected, infact.

As somebody whom has witnessed this first-hand (and to our own party to boot) I ask that my fellow party members exercise caution and restraint - how mad were we getting, several months ago, when this was happening to us?

Thus, unless there is some concrete proof, I ask everybody to cease promptly.

What are you talking about? What am I missing here?

[Junkie]

Recently, there have been suspicions cast upon a certain member of Atlasia - one that is very well respected, infact.

As somebody whom has witnessed this first-hand (and to our own party to boot) I ask that my fellow party members exercise caution and restraint - how mad were we getting, several months ago, when this was happening to us?

Thus, unless there is some concrete proof, I ask everybody to cease promptly.

What are you talking about? What am I missing here?

So apparently you guys are talking about me.  I don't even know where to begin.  I am not this Hamilton guy.  This accusation is about "similarities." Well whoever is making these accusations.  Stand up and show your reasons.  Right now.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Guys, Junkie is not Hamilton. Let's knock it off with the baseless accusations. I don't know what "proof" wormguy has, but I can assure you my proof is better.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Recently, there have been suspicions cast upon a certain member of Atlasia - one that is very well respected, infact.

As somebody whom has witnessed this first-hand (and to our own party to boot) I ask that my fellow party members exercise caution and restraint - how mad were we getting, several months ago, when this was happening to us?

Thus, unless there is some concrete proof, I ask everybody to cease promptly.

What are you talking about? What am I missing here?

So apparently you guys are talking about me.  I don't even know where to begin.  I am not this Hamilton guy.  This accusation is about "similarities." Well whoever is making these accusations.  Stand up and show your reasons.  Right now.

don't worry, not many people are buying it - i guess a couple people have a hard time believing someone relatively new to Atlasia could be so effective at it. from what i can tell, the person(s) behind this theory were actually kinda fans of Hamilton, so maybe you can take it as a rather misguided compliment.
anyway, you got a third or fourth preference from most of our party in your recent Senate race, so hopefully this wont cause any damage in relations between you and us working together.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Recently, there have been suspicions cast upon a certain member of Atlasia - one that is very well respected, infact.

As somebody whom has witnessed this first-hand (and to our own party to boot) I ask that my fellow party members exercise caution and restraint - how mad were we getting, several months ago, when this was happening to us?

Thus, unless there is some concrete proof, I ask everybody to cease promptly.

What are you talking about? What am I missing here?

So apparently you guys are talking about me.  I don't even know where to begin.  I am not this Hamilton guy.  This accusation is about "similarities." Well whoever is making these accusations.  Stand up and show your reasons.  Right now.

don't worry, not many people are buying it - i guess a couple people have a hard time believing someone relatively new to Atlasia could be so effective at it. from what i can tell, the person(s) behind this theory were actually kinda fans of Hamilton, so maybe you can take it as a rather misguided compliment.
anyway, you got a third or fourth preference from most of our party in your recent Senate race, so hopefully this wont cause any damage in relations between you and us working together.

It simply isn't true. This is another ploy by wormguy to stir s**t up. Ignore the fool. We KNOW Junkie isn't Hamilton. It's impossible. It's disgusting he's trying to drag him down.

[Mechaman]

Guys, WHAT THE FUCK?

I am gone for a few days and this kind of drama shitstorm occurs?
And now yet another sock accusation?
Against Junkie of all people?
What the fuck wormy?

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Yes... Duke has also notified me (and given proof!) that Junkie is kosher.

Anybody propagating these rumors ought to stop immediately.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Recently, there have been suspicions cast upon a certain member of Atlasia - one that is very well respected, infact.

As somebody whom has witnessed this first-hand (and to our own party to boot) I ask that my fellow party members exercise caution and restraint - how mad were we getting, several months ago, when this was happening to us?

Thus, unless there is some concrete proof, I ask everybody to cease promptly.

What are you talking about? What am I missing here?

So apparently you guys are talking about me.  I don't even know where to begin.  I am not this Hamilton guy.  This accusation is about "similarities." Well whoever is making these accusations.  Stand up and show your reasons.  Right now.

don't worry, not many people are buying it - i guess a couple people have a hard time believing someone relatively new to Atlasia could be so effective at it. from what i can tell, the person(s) behind this theory were actually kinda fans of Hamilton, so maybe you can take it as a rather misguided compliment.
anyway, you got a third or fourth preference from most of our party in your recent Senate race, so hopefully this wont cause any damage in relations between you and us working together.

It simply isn't true. This is another ploy by wormguy to stir s**t up. Ignore the fool. We KNOW Junkie isn't Hamilton. It's impossible. It's disgusting he's trying to drag him down.

*sigh*

obviously Junkie isn't Hamilton. that is implied in the premise of everything i just said. i don't see why you feel the need to quote me just to talk as if i had said anything different. also i don't think this board is an appropriate place for anyone to judge intentions harshly or call names.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Alright, everybody cease before more bad blood is bred... or this thread shall be locked.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Recently, there have been suspicions cast upon a certain member of Atlasia - one that is very well respected, infact.

As somebody whom has witnessed this first-hand (and to our own party to boot) I ask that my fellow party members exercise caution and restraint - how mad were we getting, several months ago, when this was happening to us?

Thus, unless there is some concrete proof, I ask everybody to cease promptly.

What are you talking about? What am I missing here?

So apparently you guys are talking about me.  I don't even know where to begin.  I am not this Hamilton guy.  This accusation is about "similarities." Well whoever is making these accusations.  Stand up and show your reasons.  Right now.

don't worry, not many people are buying it - i guess a couple people have a hard time believing someone relatively new to Atlasia could be so effective at it. from what i can tell, the person(s) behind this theory were actually kinda fans of Hamilton, so maybe you can take it as a rather misguided compliment.
anyway, you got a third or fourth preference from most of our party in your recent Senate race, so hopefully this wont cause any damage in relations between you and us working together.

It simply isn't true. This is another ploy by wormguy to stir s**t up. Ignore the fool. We KNOW Junkie isn't Hamilton. It's impossible. It's disgusting he's trying to drag him down.

*sigh*

obviously Junkie isn't Hamilton. that is implied in the premise of everything i just said. i don't see why you feel the need to quote me just to talk as if i had said anything different. also i don't think this board is an appropriate place for anyone to judge intentions harshly or call names.

I'm not directing my comments at you. Don't worry.

[redcommander]

Where in the thread are these comments about Hamilton? Anyway, should we get back to policy issues?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Where in the thread are these comments about Hamilton? Anyway, should we get back to policy issues?

they're in some other thread

policy issues? sounds good -  what's on your mind?

[redcommander]

Where in the thread are these comments about Hamilton? Anyway, should we get back to policy issues?

they're in some other thread

policy issues? sounds good -  what's on your mind?

Well fiscally how is the state of the nation? Should we discuss changing our economic policies?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Well fiscally how is the state of the nation? Should we discuss changing our economic policies?

things are in pretty bad shape, and going downhill. the Senate is working on a huge "stimulus" bill right now, which from what i can tell is just going to mean going further into debt for a bunch of pet projects from the various regions, with only a little real short-term stimulus. also we need to be wary of moves from some quarters toward economic protectionism, which could prove disastrous at this stage.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Proposed by-law:

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I will be giving some time for review, and then commence a 24 hour vote.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I wasn't aware the parties could replace Senators?

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

I wasn't aware the parties could replace Senators?

New law passed by the Senate.

[bgwah]

It's actually six weeks left of the term (not the election), IIRC.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

It's actually six weeks left of the term (not the election), IIRC.

I just looked it up - you're correct. I'll fix that.