Public Vote on Constitutional Amendments

[The Dowager Mod]

Do all of the  "anonymous" votes count?
or just the declared ones?

[Peter]

This is the way the Amendments have always been passed in the past - via public polls. I admit its not an ideal situation, but I have no control over it.

[Keystone Phil]

Yea-Yea-Nay

I am a supporter of regional rights but to an extent. The Senate has to have some power. If we let the regions rule have more importance over the everything else, the Senate pretty much has no role. Therefore, I voted Yea on the second amendment.

I voted Nay on the final amendment because I believe 1) more members should be required to have an organized political party (10 members minimum) and 2) anyone can be elected and then make up some crazy party. That's fine if they want to call themselves a member of that "party" but that doesn't mean it's organized.

[King]

Amendment 1 is the one that should really be defeated, from my perspective (after going over it throughly), it just gives more and more and more and more and more power to the legislative branch.

[Gabu]

I have some concern with section 4 of amendment 1.  What does it mean for a law to "explicitly contradict" the Constitution?  As I read it, this would mean that all laws are assumed to be Constitutional unless they can definitively be proven otherwise.  Am I correct in my interpretation of this?

[Alcon]

Abstain
Yea
Nay

[Moorein08]

NAY
NAY
NAY

[King]

NAY
NAY
NAY

Don't be a pessimist

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Yes to all

[Niles Caulder]

I have some concern with section 4 of amendment 1.  What does it mean for a law to "explicitly contradict" the Constitution?  As I read it, this would mean that all laws are assumed to be Constitutional unless they can definitively be proven otherwise.  Am I correct in my interpretation of this?

The way I read it, the author wished to rephrase in a more technical fashion the original constitutional language that read [paraphrasing]: "the court will only interpret the law; not create by edict willy-nilly."

I think "explicity contradict" is a little potentially problematic, myself...but on the whole I find the Bell Amendments steps in the right direction in clarifying the original intent of the constitution to begin with.

I do think he intends the Commission to address further systemic problems; this language that still bites into judicial review I think deserves some attention when they get around to it.

[Peter]

Amendment 1 is the one that should really be defeated, from my perspective (after going over it throughly), it just gives more and more and more and more and more power to the legislative branch.

The legislative branch is meant to be the most powerful branch, and frankly, given the Courts last performance, I don't want any more antics from you - this is a good way to control you via Constitutional process.

I have some concern with section 4 of amendment 1. What does it mean for a law to "explicitly contradict" the Constitution? As I read it, this would mean that all laws are assumed to be Constitutional unless they can definitively be proven otherwise. Am I correct in my interpretation of this?

Correct. Note that this is the situation in the real world also - people must prove how a law violates their rights before it gets struck by the Courts. It will also stop the Court drawing on external sources of Law to strike laws.

[Doug D. Wise]

Yea
Yea
No

[Gabu]

Well, I still have some reservations on the precise wording of the first, but I like it more than what we have now.

Yea
Yea
Nay

[Sulfur]

How does an amendment get passed? By public vote, or the Senate?

[Bono]

How does an amendment get passed? By public vote, or the Senate?

Both.

[Sulfur]

thanks

[Jens]

Yea on all

[Filuwaúrdjan]

yea, yea, yea

[Nym90]

Yea on all 3.

[Redefeatbush04]

1. Yea
2. Nay
3. Yea

[The Dowager Mod]

Sooooo...
is voting over?

[Peter]

As stated in JFKs Original Post, voting ends one week after opening, which is on 21st November.

[The Dowager Mod]

hehe my calendar is still on october DOH!

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I know I'm old-fashioned, but at least I keep my calendar up to date!

[TeePee4Prez]

Yea on all three.