Obama backs mosque near ground zero

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm not entirely sure what a "victory mosque" is. Explain?

Think of the Mosque on the temple mount, in Constantinople, etc.

A mosque in a major city?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

This is a stupid issue, but Obama shouldn't have said anything about it.

Agreed, an Islamic victory mosque in a building that the landing gear of a 9/11 plane hit certainly means nothing.

You're right States, it means nothing.

You know what does mean something?

After 9 long years, ground zero is being rebuilt! Woohoo!!!! About Freaking time!!!



Lower Manhattan of the future:

Yuck. If they were going to build new skyscrapers on the site, they should have at least made them twins.

[Sbane]

It kind of looks like a middle finger to me.....

[Beet]

Yuck. If they were going to build new skyscrapers on the site, they should have at least made them twins.

More can always be built later, but it's a miracle that there are tenants for this building, given the shape of the economy. We wouldn't want this to end up like the Chicago Spire.

[dead0man]

I'm not entirely sure what a "victory mosque" is. Explain?

Think of the Mosque on the temple mount, in Constantinople, etc.

A mosque in a major city?

Yes, that's what he meant

[Bo]

I think this issue might actually be more inane than the flag burning issue. Crazy that we would have had a Constitutional amendment to ban flag burning if Lieberman had voted aye.

I don't think enough states would have approved of this proposed amendment.

[??????????]

I'm not entirely sure what a "victory mosque" is. Explain?

Think of the Mosque on the temple mount, in Constantinople, etc.

A mosque in a major city?

Yes, that's what he meant

Xahar is a smart fellow. He knows exactly what I am talking about as well. Hey, I don't disagree with the idea of what his faith practices in it but I don't personally like it. I grew up around a bunch of Palestinians who hated Israel and some actively fought against it. I know what the though process is regarding this whole thing is regardless of the smears some folks here want to place against me.

[Brittain33]

Congrats on getting someone to take the bait the second time.

a building that the landing gear of a 9/11 plane

If it was put out of commission nine years ago and nothing had been done with it since then, and not because of interest groups and committees like at the real Ground Zero, this shows that the Burlington Coat Factory isn't quite as valuable or prominent as the Temple Mount, wouldn't you say?

[Brittain33]

I'm not entirely sure what a "victory mosque" is. Explain?

Think of the Mosque on the temple mount, in Constantinople, etc.

A mosque in a major city?

Yes, that's what he meant

Xahar is too young to recall the Palestinians dancing in the streets, celebrating the destruction of the Burlington Coat Factory.

[J. J.]

I'm not entirely sure what a "victory mosque" is. Explain?

Think of the Mosque on the temple mount, in Constantinople, etc.

As opposed to St. Peter's, Rome?

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm not entirely sure what a "victory mosque" is. Explain?

Think of the Mosque on the temple mount, in Constantinople, etc.

A mosque in a major city?

Yes, that's what he meant

That's the only thing this one has in common with the others.

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

No matter what you think about the issue, Obama has once again failed to show strong leadership - something which has become a concurrent theme during his term.

With Fort Hood shooting, failed terrorist bombings, health care reform, suing Arizona, and now the Mosque debacle he has lacked strong leadership, and showed time and time again how detached he is from the electorate.

[Ebowed]

No matter what you think about the issue, Obama has once again failed to show strong leadership ... and now the Mosque debacle he has lacked strong leadership, and showed time and time again how detached he is from the electorate.

I can think of fewer things less reliable and grounded in stability than the electorate.

Your detachment from the public whims is my bold commitment to constitutional principles regardless of political pressures.  Sounds like strong leadership to me.

[Sam Spade]

A couple of things separate from the actual argument:

1) I'm still trying to find someone who lives in my area of the world who supports building the mosque there.  It's tough.  Most of the time I'm getting approached by people voicing their disgust against it after some type visual or audio reminder.

2) I doubt it ever gets built for one simple reason - know what the reason is?

[Holmes]

2) I doubt it ever gets built for one simple reason - know what the reason is?

Do you know whether or not I know the reason?

[Marokai Backbeat]

The fact that the misrepresentation of the building as being a mosque has continued even on this forum which I consider to be smarter, on average, than the usual voter, is a little depressing. It's not a mosque, people.

[patrick1]

The fact that the misrepresentation of the building as being a mosque has continued even on this forum which I consider to be smarter, on average, than the usual voter, is a little depressing. It's not a mosque, people.

No.  Semantics- it has a prayer room for several hundred people.

edit- actually thousands.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The fact that the misrepresentation of the building as being a mosque has continued even on this forum which I consider to be smarter, on average, than the usual voter, is a little depressing. It's not a mosque, people.

No.  Semantics- it has a prayer room for several hundred people.

It's unfair to call it a mosque when there's alot more to the proposed building than just a prayer space.

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The prayer space in the building is an important facet to the building, but calling it a mosque only conjures up alot of silly imagery of middle-eastern architecture and it being nothing but religious in nature. It's much more of a community center than purely a mosque.

[patrick1]

The fact that the misrepresentation of the building as being a mosque has continued even on this forum which I consider to be smarter, on average, than the usual voter, is a little depressing. It's not a mosque, people.

No.  Semantics- it has a prayer room for several hundred people.

It's unfair to call it a mosque when there's alot more to the proposed building than just a prayer space.

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The prayer space in the building is an important facet to the building, but calling it a mosque only conjures up alot of silly imagery of middle-eastern architecture and it being nothing but religious in nature. It's much more of a community center than purely a mosque.

Ok, so a church isn't a church because drunks meet in the rectory. 

I'm rather ambivalent about the whole thing but I don't think some hoops and treadmills are at the heart of this for either side.

[Хahar 🤔]

The fact that the misrepresentation of the building as being a mosque has continued even on this forum which I consider to be smarter, on average, than the usual voter, is a little depressing. It's not a mosque, people.

It is in fact a mosque. Mosques in the United States are never actually called mosques, for reasons that elude me entirely.

[J. J.]

It's unfair to call it a mosque when there's alot more to the proposed building than just a prayer space.

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The prayer space in the building is an important facet to the building, but calling it a mosque only conjures up alot of silly imagery of middle-eastern architecture and it being nothing but religious in nature. It's much more of a community center than purely a mosque.

Not in my neighborhood.

[Sam Spade]

2) I doubt it ever gets built for one simple reason - know what the reason is?

Do you know whether or not I know the reason?

Do I care?

[J. J.]

2) I doubt it ever gets built for one simple reason - know what the reason is?

Do you know whether or not I know the reason?

Do I care?

I wouldn't mind hearing it.

[??????????]

http://bilirakis.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=550&Itemid=1

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

This shouldn't be an issue. Besides, it's not a mosque, not all Muslims are terrorists, and there have been no successful terrorist attacks since That September Day (Fort Hood wasn't anymore of a terrorist attack than your average school shooting.)