Roles Reversed: Would Republicans treat Buchanan, like Democrats treat Nader?
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« on: August 11, 2010, 08:15:48 PM »

Let's imagine that Gore officially "won" Pennsylvania, the deciding state, by 537 votes over Bush. Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan receives 97,000 votes. Would the Republicans still complain about it 10 years later?

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2010, 08:18:11 PM »

Establishment Republicans already hate Buchanan even without that having happened.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 08:24:55 PM »

Let's imagine that Gore officially "won" Pennsylvania, the deciding state, by 537 votes over Bush. Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan receives 97,000 votes. Would the Republicans still complain about it 10 years later?

I think a more realistic scenario would be to have Bush lose FL by several hundred votes. In response to your question, of course the Republicans would be pissed off. However, I think Republicans would be slightly more pissed off if Gore was a two-termer (since then they'd blame him for screwing over our economy) than if he was a one termer.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2010, 09:06:45 AM »

Let's imagine that Gore officially "won" Pennsylvania, the deciding state, by 537 votes over Bush. Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan receives 97,000 votes. Would the Republicans still complain about it 10 years later?

Of course.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 09:34:06 AM »

Of course
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 09:58:14 AM »

Especially if Gore's brother were gov'r of Florida. If thousands of evangelicals had been mysteriously purged from the voting lists. Et al.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2010, 08:54:30 PM »

Buchanan claims that he was a greater spoiler than Nadar on a state by state basis.  Let's take a look at that claim.  The following question was posed:
If Nadar had not been on the ballot, how would you vote?
50% - Gore
30%- Bush
20%- stay home.
As for Buchanan voters, 80-90% would have backed Bush while most of the rest would have stayed home.  Almost none would have supported Gore.
Buchanan likely cost Bush a win in Iowa and Wisconsin (18 EV).  By that I mean Bush wins in a Bush/Gore/Nadar 3 way vote.  New Mexico (5 EV) was also decided by a razor thin margin. Buchanan was not on the ballot but Harry Browne was.   If Florida flips to Gore and the other 3 states flipped to Bush, I believe it would have been a 269-269 tie.  If Nadar was the only 3rd party candidate, that could very well have happened.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2010, 09:47:58 PM »

No, we hated him well before that.  He's a good analyst, but he lost me in the 80's.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2010, 06:55:03 PM »

No, we hated him well before that.  He's a good analyst, but he lost me in the 80's.

I read "Right From the Beginning" by him, and I thought I agreed with almost everything he said. Then, later, it turned out he was a big Paleo-Conservative, and I was wondering "what happened?"
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 12:33:06 AM »

Let's imagine that Gore officially "won" Pennsylvania, the deciding state, by 537 votes over Bush. Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan receives 97,000 votes. Would the Republicans still complain about it 10 years later?

They still complain about losing Illinois in 1960.
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2011, 07:04:42 AM »

Buchanan claims that he was a greater spoiler than Nadar on a state by state basis.  Let's take a look at that claim.  The following question was posed:
If Nadar had not been on the ballot, how would you vote?
50% - Gore
30%- Bush
20%- stay home.

I've seen this poll cited a number of times and have frequently wondered about it. Who are these Nader>Bush>Gore voters? People who want to punish Democrats, or are there quite a few "consumer safety conservatives" or something?
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2011, 07:51:30 PM »

Buchanan claims that he was a greater spoiler than Nadar on a state by state basis.  Let's take a look at that claim.  The following question was posed:
If Nadar had not been on the ballot, how would you vote?
50% - Gore
30%- Bush
20%- stay home.

I've seen this poll cited a number of times and have frequently wondered about it. Who are these Nader>Bush>Gore voters? People who want to punish Democrats, or are there quite a few "consumer safety conservatives" or something?

A lot of Muslims counted I knew in 2000 had preferences of Nader > Bush > Gore.

People don't vote on ideology 100% of the time.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2011, 10:33:58 PM »

Buchanan claims that he was a greater spoiler than Nadar on a state by state basis.  Let's take a look at that claim.  The following question was posed:
If Nadar had not been on the ballot, how would you vote?
50% - Gore
30%- Bush
20%- stay home.

I've seen this poll cited a number of times and have frequently wondered about it. Who are these Nader>Bush>Gore voters? People who want to punish Democrats, or are there quite a few "consumer safety conservatives" or something?

A lot of Muslims counted I knew in 2000 had preferences of Nader > Bush > Gore.

People don't vote on ideology 100% of the time.

Ah that's right, he's Lebanese-American.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2012, 01:55:29 PM »

Buchanan claims that he was a greater spoiler than Nadar on a state by state basis.  Let's take a look at that claim.  The following question was posed:
If Nadar had not been on the ballot, how would you vote?
50% - Gore
30%- Bush
20%- stay home.

I've seen this poll cited a number of times and have frequently wondered about it. Who are these Nader>Bush>Gore voters? People who want to punish Democrats, or are there quite a few "consumer safety conservatives" or something?
Conservative-leaning non-interventionist/peace types, and people concerned about the effects of corporations on small town America.
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