Dean vs. Bush Jr. 2000

[Derek]

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An unknown governor from Vermont coming out of left field. Here it is.

Bush 480
Dean  58

Bush 56%
Dean 42%

[Derek]

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An unknown governor from Vermont coming out of left field. Here it is.

Bush 480
Dean  58

Bush 56%
Dean 42%

Clitnon wasn't very known in 1992. I seriously doubt Dean would have been unless unknown than Clinton in 2000 if he had managed to win his party's nomination. What makes you think he would have done that badly?

Dean is a far-left wacko, didn't you get the memo?

Vermont is not a good base to have and he would be portrayed as extreme. People would have seen him that way too.

[Derek]

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An unknown governor from Vermont coming out of left field. Here it is.

Bush 480
Dean  58

Bush 56%
Dean 42%

Clitnon wasn't very known in 1992. I seriously doubt Dean would have been unless unknown than Clinton in 2000 if he had managed to win his party's nomination. What makes you think he would have done that badly?

Dean is a far-left wacko, didn't you get the memo?

Vermont is not a good base to have and he would be portrayed as extreme. People would have seen him that way too.

Why not? Vermont is among the safest, best educated, and cleanest states in the nation, and it had a balanced budget every year under Dean's governorship. I guess instead we should elect Haley Barbour and use Mississippi as a model for the nation?

Vermont wasn't that liberal in 2000. Gore only won 51% of the vote there. And if the uncharismatic John Kerry almost beat Bush in 2004 despite being from Massachusetts (which is even more liberal than Vermont) after the GOP swift-boated him and attacked him as a flip-flopper, then surely the charismatic Howard Dean would have defeated Bush in 2000. Dean was a fiscal conservative, for gun rights, and much more charismatic than Gore. If Gore almost beat Bush in 2000, surely Dean would have beat Bush that same year. I remember you said before that in your opinion, Gore lost a lot of votes due to his support of gun control and his lack of charisma. Well, Dean wouldn't have had those problems.

Candidates like Dean are exposed eventually somewhere down the line. He might have done as well as McGovern because that's automatically what comes to any serious voter's mind when they think of Howard Dean. Gun rights would not have overcome abortion in TN, WV, and AR. Name one president who has come from a state worth 3 electoral votes. And Vermont would have gone 58-40 for Gore without Ralph Nader.

[Derek]

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An unknown governor from Vermont coming out of left field. Here it is.

Bush 480
Dean  58

Bush 56%
Dean 42%

Clitnon wasn't very known in 1992. I seriously doubt Dean would have been unless unknown than Clinton in 2000 if he had managed to win his party's nomination. What makes you think he would have done that badly?

Dean is a far-left wacko, didn't you get the memo?

Vermont is not a good base to have and he would be portrayed as extreme. People would have seen him that way too.

Why not? Vermont is among the safest, best educated, and cleanest states in the nation, and it had a balanced budget every year under Dean's governorship. I guess instead we should elect Haley Barbour and use Mississippi as a model for the nation?

Vermont wasn't that liberal in 2000. Gore only won 51% of the vote there. And if the uncharismatic John Kerry almost beat Bush in 2004 despite being from Massachusetts (which is even more liberal than Vermont) after the GOP swift-boated him and attacked him as a flip-flopper, then surely the charismatic Howard Dean would have defeated Bush in 2000. Dean was a fiscal conservative, for gun rights, and much more charismatic than Gore. If Gore almost beat Bush in 2000, surely Dean would have beat Bush that same year. I remember you said before that in your opinion, Gore lost a lot of votes due to his support of gun control and his lack of charisma. Well, Dean wouldn't have had those problems.

Candidates like Dean are exposed eventually somewhere down the line. He might have done as well as McGovern because that's automatically what comes to any serious voter's mind when they think of Howard Dean. Gun rights would not have overcome abortion in TN, WV, and AR. Name one president who has come from a state worth 3 electoral votes. And Vermont would have gone 58-40 for Gore without Ralph Nader.

McGovern doesn't come to my mind when I think of Howard Dean. I would greatly prefer George McGovern to Howard Dean.


And TN, WV, and AR voted for pro-abortion Democrat Bill Clinton.

Yes and Clinton was from Arkansas with a running mate from Tennessee. West Virginia until 2000 was like Massachusetts or Rhode Island for the democrats.

[Derek]

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An unknown governor from Vermont coming out of left field. Here it is.

Bush 480
Dean  58

Bush 56%
Dean 42%

Clitnon wasn't very known in 1992. I seriously doubt Dean would have been unless unknown than Clinton in 2000 if he had managed to win his party's nomination. What makes you think he would have done that badly?

Dean is a far-left wacko, didn't you get the memo?

Vermont is not a good base to have and he would be portrayed as extreme. People would have seen him that way too.

Why not? Vermont is among the safest, best educated, and cleanest states in the nation, and it had a balanced budget every year under Dean's governorship. I guess instead we should elect Haley Barbour and use Mississippi as a model for the nation?

Vermont wasn't that liberal in 2000. Gore only won 51% of the vote there. And if the uncharismatic John Kerry almost beat Bush in 2004 despite being from Massachusetts (which is even more liberal than Vermont) after the GOP swift-boated him and attacked him as a flip-flopper, then surely the charismatic Howard Dean would have defeated Bush in 2000. Dean was a fiscal conservative, for gun rights, and much more charismatic than Gore. If Gore almost beat Bush in 2000, surely Dean would have beat Bush that same year. I remember you said before that in your opinion, Gore lost a lot of votes due to his support of gun control and his lack of charisma. Well, Dean wouldn't have had those problems.

Candidates like Dean are exposed eventually somewhere down the line. He might have done as well as McGovern because that's automatically what comes to any serious voter's mind when they think of Howard Dean. Gun rights would not have overcome abortion in TN, WV, and AR. Name one president who has come from a state worth 3 electoral votes. And Vermont would have gone 58-40 for Gore without Ralph Nader.

McGovern doesn't come to my mind when I think of Howard Dean. I would greatly prefer George McGovern to Howard Dean.


And TN, WV, and AR voted for pro-abortion Democrat Bill Clinton.

Yes and Clinton was from Arkansas with a running mate from Tennessee. West Virginia until 2000 was like Massachusetts or Rhode Island for the democrats.

So obviously abortion isn't that big an issue in those states as to prevent them from voting Democratic.

He won at the state level in Arkansas and portrayed himself as a southern democrat. Also Clinton wasn't hardcore for abortion until after he got into office. The people who were voting in 1992 thought they were voting for the southern democrats of the 50's and 60's. 2000 that was made into a bigger issue because Bush was a better candidate. Plus Dean is no Bill Clinton. We're talking apples and oranges at this point. Remember the south was much more conservative in 2000 than it was in 1992 in terms of Democrat vs. Republican. It's apples and oranges bringing Clinton into the argument. Dean is not a candidate that could shrug off that issue.