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« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2010, 12:27:54 PM »
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« Reply #101 on: July 19, 2010, 01:12:35 PM »
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« Reply #102 on: July 19, 2010, 01:33:44 PM »
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« Reply #103 on: July 20, 2010, 04:53:23 AM »
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« Reply #104 on: July 20, 2010, 05:03:04 AM »
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« Reply #105 on: July 21, 2010, 04:13:02 PM »


July 1793 - "An I" constitution
September 1795 - "An III" constitution
September 1795 - "Two thirds" decree
January 1800 - "An VIII" constitution
June 1802 - Napoleon, consul for life
June 1804 - "An XII" constitution
May 1815 - Additional provision to Empire constitutions
20-21 December 1851 - Constitutional powers to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte
21-22 November 1852 - Foundation of the 2nd Empire
8 May 1870 - Constitutional draft of 20 April 1870
21 October 1945 - Constitutional powers to the Assembly
21 October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
5 May 1946 - Constitutional draft of 19 April 1946
13 October 1946 - Constitution of the Fourth Republic
28 September 1958 - Constitution of the Fifth Republic
8 January 1961 - Self-determination in Algeria
8 April 1962 - Evian Treaty and Algeria's independence
28 October 1962 - Direct election of the President of the French Republic
27 April 1969 - Regional organization and Senate's reform
23 April 1972 - Enlargement of the European Communities
6 November 1988 - Self-determination in New Caledonia
20 September 1992 - Maastricht Treaty
24 September 2000 - Five-year presidential term
29 May 2005 - Constitutional Treaty of Europe

Results:
Round 1: July 1793 3, September 1795 (An III Constit.) 3, June 1804 3, November 1852 2, June 1802 1
Round 2: September 1795 (An III Constit.) 2 (3 previous points), May 1815 2 (0 previous point), June 1804 1, June 1802 1, November 1852 -1
Round 3: May 1815 7, September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 5, June 1804 5, June 1802 2, January 1800 1
Round 4: June 1804 9 (9 previous points), September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 9 (5 previous points), June 1802 5, November 1852 3, January 1800 2, December 1851 1, September 2000 1
Round 5: June 1802 3, January 1800 2, September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 1, December 1851 0, September 2000 0, November 1852 -1
Round 6: September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 5, November 1852 1, May 2005 1
Round 7: January 1800 5, September 2000 1, December 1851 1, November 1852 1
Round 8: December 1851 11, November 1852 5, November 1988 4, September 2000 3, September 1992 1
Round 9: November 1852 5, November 1988 3, September 2000 3, September 1992 1
Round 10: November 1988 1, September 1992 0, September 2000 0, May 1870 -1
Round 11: April 1972 20, September 2000 15, May 2005 12, January 1961 11, May 1946 2
Round 12: September 2000 3 (23 previous points), January 1961 3 (11 previous points), May 1946 1, May 2005 1, October 1946 0, September 1958 0, September 1992 0, April 1962 -1, October 1962 -1, April 1969 -1
Round 13: January 1961 5, September 1992 1
Round 14: May 1946 15, April 1962 12, May 2005 10, October 1946 9, September 1958 5, September 1992 4, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 3
Round 15: April 1962 3 (11 previous points), October 1946 3 (9 previous points), September 1958 2, May 2005 2, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 1, September 1992 1

Rules are different in each round: please read the rules before voting.
The referendum which receives the biggest total of votes or points is eliminated.
In case of a tie, the referendum which has received the biggest total of previous votes is eliminated.
In case of a new tie, I, Emperor-President of this survivor, decide which is eliminated.

ROUND 16 IS OPEN !

Beware !In this round, you have 6 points to cast 3-2-1.
We'll eliminate 1 referendum.
Beware !
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« Reply #106 on: July 21, 2010, 04:14:39 PM »
Sorry for the delay: it's very sunny, here... Wink

3 to October 1946
2 to October 1945 (constitutional powers)
1 to May 1870
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« Reply #107 on: July 21, 2010, 07:57:05 PM »
3 - October 1945 (constitutional powers)
2 - October 1946
1 - October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
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« Reply #108 on: July 21, 2010, 10:42:46 PM »
3 for May 2005
2 for October 1946
1 for September 1958
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« Reply #109 on: July 22, 2010, 03:18:41 AM »
3 to October 1946
2 to September 1958
1 to October 1945 (constitutional powers)
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« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2010, 04:18:36 AM »


July 1793 - "An I" constitution
September 1795 - "An III" constitution
September 1795 - "Two thirds" decree
January 1800 - "An VIII" constitution
June 1802 - Napoleon, consul for life
June 1804 - "An XII" constitution
May 1815 - Additional provision to Empire constitutions
20-21 December 1851 - Constitutional powers to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte
21-22 November 1852 - Foundation of the 2nd Empire
8 May 1870 - Constitutional draft of 20 April 1870
21 October 1945 - Constitutional powers to the Assembly
21 October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
5 May 1946 - Constitutional draft of 19 April 1946
13 October 1946 - Constitution of the Fourth Republic
28 September 1958 - Constitution of the Fifth Republic
8 January 1961 - Self-determination in Algeria
8 April 1962 - Evian Treaty and Algeria's independence
28 October 1962 - Direct election of the President of the French Republic
27 April 1969 - Regional organization and Senate's reform
23 April 1972 - Enlargement of the European Communities
6 November 1988 - Self-determination in New Caledonia
20 September 1992 - Maastricht Treaty
24 September 2000 - Five-year presidential term
29 May 2005 - Constitutional Treaty of Europe

Results:
Round 1: July 1793 3, September 1795 (An III Constit.) 3, June 1804 3, November 1852 2, June 1802 1
Round 2: September 1795 (An III Constit.) 2 (3 previous points), May 1815 2 (0 previous point), June 1804 1, June 1802 1, November 1852 -1
Round 3: May 1815 7, September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 5, June 1804 5, June 1802 2, January 1800 1
Round 4: June 1804 9 (9 previous points), September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 9 (5 previous points), June 1802 5, November 1852 3, January 1800 2, December 1851 1, September 2000 1
Round 5: June 1802 3, January 1800 2, September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 1, December 1851 0, September 2000 0, November 1852 -1
Round 6: September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 5, November 1852 1, May 2005 1
Round 7: January 1800 5, September 2000 1, December 1851 1, November 1852 1
Round 8: December 1851 11, November 1852 5, November 1988 4, September 2000 3, September 1992 1
Round 9: November 1852 5, November 1988 3, September 2000 3, September 1992 1
Round 10: November 1988 1, September 1992 0, September 2000 0, May 1870 -1
Round 11: April 1972 20, September 2000 15, May 2005 12, January 1961 11, May 1946 2
Round 12: September 2000 3 (23 previous points), January 1961 3 (11 previous points), May 1946 1, May 2005 1, October 1946 0, September 1958 0, September 1992 0, April 1962 -1, October 1962 -1, April 1969 -1
Round 13: January 1961 5, September 1992 1
Round 14: May 1946 15, April 1962 12, May 2005 10, October 1946 9, September 1958 5, September 1992 4, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 3
Round 15: April 1962 3 (11 previous points), October 1946 3 (9 previous points), September 1958 2, May 2005 2, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 1, September 1992 1
Round 16: October 1946 10, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 6, September 1958 3, May 2005 3, May 1870 1, October 1945 (provisional constitutional law) 1

Rules are different in each round: please read the rules before voting.
The referendum which receives the biggest total of votes or points is eliminated.
In case of a tie, the referendum which has received the biggest total of previous votes is eliminated.
In case of a new tie, I, Emperor-President of this survivor, decide which is eliminated.

ROUND 17 IS OPEN !

Beware !In this round, you vote to eliminate 2 referendums and to keep 1 referendum.
We'll eliminate 1 referendum.
Beware !
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« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2010, 04:20:17 AM »
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October 1945 (constitutional powers)
May 1870

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« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2010, 07:54:30 AM »
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October 1945 (constitutional powers)
October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law

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« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2010, 09:16:32 AM »
Eliminate :
- September 1958
- October 1945

Keep May 1870 (for now)
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« Reply #114 on: July 23, 2010, 09:25:06 AM »

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« Reply #115 on: July 23, 2010, 09:59:34 AM »

Sigh... Sad What's the problem this time ?
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« Reply #116 on: July 23, 2010, 10:29:26 AM »

I'm just surprised you vote to keep a Napoleonic plebiscite.
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« Reply #117 on: July 23, 2010, 12:56:43 PM »
Eliminate :
September 1958
October 1945

Keep April 1969
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« Reply #118 on: July 23, 2010, 01:43:59 PM »
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September 1958

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October 1945 (constitutional powers)
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« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2010, 02:55:24 PM »

This one was going in the "right" sense. Wink I just think there are less interesting ones for now. Of course it's not my pick for survivor. Tongue
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« Reply #120 on: July 24, 2010, 03:36:42 AM »


July 1793 - "An I" constitution
September 1795 - "An III" constitution
September 1795 - "Two thirds" decree
January 1800 - "An VIII" constitution
June 1802 - Napoleon, consul for life
June 1804 - "An XII" constitution
May 1815 - Additional provision to Empire constitutions
20-21 December 1851 - Constitutional powers to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte
21-22 November 1852 - Foundation of the 2nd Empire
8 May 1870 - Constitutional draft of 20 April 1870
21 October 1945 - Constitutional powers to the Assembly
21 October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
5 May 1946 - Constitutional draft of 19 April 1946
13 October 1946 - Constitution of the Fourth Republic
28 September 1958 - Constitution of the Fifth Republic
8 January 1961 - Self-determination in Algeria
8 April 1962 - Evian Treaty and Algeria's independence
28 October 1962 - Direct election of the President of the French Republic
27 April 1969 - Regional organization and Senate's reform
23 April 1972 - Enlargement of the European Communities
6 November 1988 - Self-determination in New Caledonia
20 September 1992 - Maastricht Treaty
24 September 2000 - Five-year presidential term
29 May 2005 - Constitutional Treaty of Europe

Results:
Round 1: July 1793 3, September 1795 (An III Constit.) 3, June 1804 3, November 1852 2, June 1802 1
Round 2: September 1795 (An III Constit.) 2 (3 previous points), May 1815 2 (0 previous point), June 1804 1, June 1802 1, November 1852 -1
Round 3: May 1815 7, September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 5, June 1804 5, June 1802 2, January 1800 1
Round 4: June 1804 9 (9 previous points), September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 9 (5 previous points), June 1802 5, November 1852 3, January 1800 2, December 1851 1, September 2000 1
Round 5: June 1802 3, January 1800 2, September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 1, December 1851 0, September 2000 0, November 1852 -1
Round 6: September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 5, November 1852 1, May 2005 1
Round 7: January 1800 5, September 2000 1, December 1851 1, November 1852 1
Round 8: December 1851 11, November 1852 5, November 1988 4, September 2000 3, September 1992 1
Round 9: November 1852 5, November 1988 3, September 2000 3, September 1992 1
Round 10: November 1988 1, September 1992 0, September 2000 0, May 1870 -1
Round 11: April 1972 20, September 2000 15, May 2005 12, January 1961 11, May 1946 2
Round 12: September 2000 3 (23 previous points), January 1961 3 (11 previous points), May 1946 1, May 2005 1, October 1946 0, September 1958 0, September 1992 0, April 1962 -1, October 1962 -1, April 1969 -1
Round 13: January 1961 5, September 1992 1
Round 14: May 1946 15, April 1962 12, May 2005 10, October 1946 9, September 1958 5, September 1992 4, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 3
Round 15: April 1962 3 (11 previous points), October 1946 3 (9 previous points), September 1958 2, May 2005 2, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 1, September 1992 1
Round 16: October 1946 10, October 1945 (constitutional powers) 6, September 1958 3, May 2005 3, May 1870 1, October 1945 (provisional constitutional law) 1
Round 17: October 1945 (constitutional powers) 3, September 1958 2, October 1945 (provisional constitutional law) 1, May 2005 1, May 1870 -1, April 1969 -1

Rules are different in each round: please read the rules before voting.
The referendum which receives the biggest total of votes or points is eliminated.
In case of a tie, the referendum which has received the biggest total of previous votes is eliminated.
In case of a new tie, I, Emperor-President of this survivor, decide which is eliminated.

ROUND 18 IS OPEN !

Beware !In this round, you vote to eliminate 1 referendums and to keep 2 referendums.
We'll eliminate 1 referendum.
Beware !
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« Reply #121 on: July 24, 2010, 03:43:26 AM »
« Edited: July 24, 2010, 03:57:51 AM by big bad fab »
Mmmm... Is another outrageous moment coming ? Grin
1958 wasn't something of a bonapartist event.
The Constitution of the time wasn't presidential and it was the only stabilizing possibility for France.

If you want to vote against presidentialist regime, well, 1962 is the right referendum to oust: de Gaulle himself used an article of the Constitution (11) which DOESN'T give the legal possibility to modify the constitution !!!
It should have been done under article 89...
So, an illegal referendum to create the real presidential regime... Wink
But, anyway, some of you may have other reasons to oust 1958.

As my 1870 vote seems doomed, I'll try this, in order to save 1958:

Eliminate May 2005

Keep September 1958
April 1969
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« Reply #122 on: July 24, 2010, 03:48:55 AM »
Eliminate October 1945 (Provisional constitutional law)

Keep :
- May 1870
- April 1969

Then 1958 must go.
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« Reply #123 on: July 24, 2010, 08:39:07 AM »
eliminate:  October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
keep: May 1870; May 2005
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« Reply #124 on: July 24, 2010, 02:15:52 PM »
Eliminate October 1945 (Provisional constitutional law)

Keep :
- May 1870
- April 1969

Then 1958 must go.
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