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« on: June 06, 2010, 01:23:28 PM »

Slovenes vote in referendum on Croatia border deal

Slovenes are voting in a referendum on whether to accept a deal on a border dispute with Croatia.

The agreement, signed last year, allowed international arbitrators to resolve the issue.

The border dispute concerns the small Bay of Piran in the Adriatic Sea, and dates back to the break-up of Yugoslavia in 1991.

It has soured relations between the two countries, and led Slovenia to block Croatia's bid to join the EU.

Parliaments in both Slovenia and Croatia approved the deal, but the centre-right opposition in Slovenia has branded the agreement as a "capitulation" that favours Croatia.

Slovene Prime Minister Borut Pahor accepted the opposition's demand for a binding referendum in March.

The BBC's Balkans correspondent Mark Lowen reports that polls suggest the likely result of Sunday's vote appears too close to call - but if rejected, Slovenia's government will again face pressure to delay Zagreb's EU negotiations.

'Setting an example'

In the past, Croatia has called for the border to be drawn down the middle of the bay.
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But Slovenia, which has a much shorter coastline than its neighbour, had feared this would deny its ships direct passage to the high seas.

Slovenia exercised its veto on Croatia's EU accession talks because it said Croatia had provided maps and documents in negotiations that failed to take account of Slovenia's position.

Croatia hopes to become the second former Yugoslav state to join the EU in 2012.

Our correspondent says that by appearing to agree on a solution to the row last autumn, both countries tried to set an example to other parts of the Western Balkans: that through compromise and a shared European future, bilateral issues can be resolved.

The hope was to influence ties between Serbia and Kosovo, whose declaration of independence from Serbia is rejected by Belgrade, or between Bosnia and Serbia, whose relations have remained tense since the Bosnian war.

Polling stations are open from 0700-1900 (0500-1700 GMT).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10248037.stm
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2010, 01:26:56 PM »

Results:

1.706.033 eligible voters
694.409 voted

Turnout: 40.7%

620.391 votes already counted
4.909 votes are invalid

YES: 320.360 votes (52.1%)
NO: 295.122 votes (47.9%)

http://www.dvk.gov.si/AS2010/AS2010i/index3.html
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2010, 01:34:11 PM »

Much closer than what the Exit Poll for the Slovenian TV said:

66% Yes
34% No

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2010, 02:12:27 PM »

A shame. I would've voted against this appeasement of the Croat fascists.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2010, 02:41:24 PM »

Almost everything counted now:

720.723 total votes
5.710 invalid votes

YES: 368.085 votes (51.48%)
NO: 346.928 votes (48.52%)



Light Green => 50-55% YES
Dark Green => 55-60% YES

Red => 50-55% NO
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2010, 02:43:03 PM »

A shame. I would've voted against this appeasement of the Croat fascists.
That#s exactly the attitude that most of the no vote is probably inspired by... that and voting against the government, presumably.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2010, 02:57:04 PM »

To note:

The region where the Bay of Piran is located (in the west), voted most heavily with Yes.

Some districts in this region, especially the city of Piran and suburbs were about 70%+ in favor.

The region that is furthest away from the Bay (in the east), voted most heavily with No.

Many districts in this region were against it with more than 60%.

I guess this has to do with the trade opportunities in Piran. Many traders there just voted Yes to continue the good local relations with the Croats that are the main source for the economy there.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2010, 03:18:23 PM »

The best quote came from opposition leader Janez Jansa, who campaigned for a "No" vote:

“They have taken Carinthia, Trieste and Gorizia — they will not take the sea!"

Please, you can take the failed Scheuchtum of Carinthia back everyday if you want ... Tongue Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2010, 03:41:18 PM »

People nearer by may have had a clearer idea of the issue's (lack of) relevance.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2010, 03:57:25 PM »

Bosnia has a shorter coastline.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2010, 04:49:45 PM »
« Edited: June 06, 2010, 04:59:12 PM by mm999 »

Hello.

Dispute is not just about Bay of Piran but also about many places in land, 4 of them are also in the east.

Results are very similar to general distribution between supporters and opponents of govorment. And around Piran are very strong supporters of goverment because of historical reasons and because of very large number of immigrants from ex-Yugoslavia.

And what is dispute about?
Communist regime in 1956 decide to take Savudrija and Kaštel from municipality of Piram in Slovenia to Croatian municipality of Buje.  Residents were protested but the government refused it with argument that "all this is Yugoslavia". Kaštel and Savudrija were part of Piran from 14. century and in past census there were mostly just Slovenes and Italians (Kaštel 1880: 863 Slovenes,1 other, 1890 283 Slovenes, 754 Italians, 1990 159 Slovenes, 1019 Italians 1 other, 1910 362 Slovenes, 812 Italians, 71 Croats) and Savudrija (1880 41 Slovenes, 231 Italians, 1890 62 Slovenes, 201 Italians, 1900 17 Slovenes, 309 Italians 2 Croats, 1910 66 Slovenes 371 Italians). Coast of Savudrija is located in Piran Bay and when Savudrija belonged to Croatia, Croats started with jurisdiction in land but in whole Piran Bay had jurisdiction Slovenia. After independance Croatia required half of Piran Bay which means that Slovenia would lose teritorial junction to High sea which can be disaster for  Koper port and slovenian economy.

Problem with this agreement is that Croatia in fact cant loss anything  (they have more than 2500times more sea than Slovenia) but Slovenia in other hand can lose 1/3 of sea and teritorial junction with High sea.  Because of that Slovenia want that arbitrators use not just International law but also principle "Ex aequo et bono" which means that they try to find fair solution and account also history and other relavant circumstances (After WWII Croatia as part of Yugoslavia got more than 90% of Istria and Rijeka but Trieste, Gorizia, Venetia Slovenia etc. belonged to Italy and so cca. 140.000 Slovenes stayed in Italy, how Savudrija came to Croatia, Slovenia has a long tradition of fishermens etc...) And principle Ex aequo et bono is not part of this agreemnt.

Other disputes in land are mostly because teritory on Slovenian sides of rivers is in Croatian register and in Croatian side is in Slovenian except in Piran where Croatian built "temporarily border for  the tourist season in 1994 but is still there. So 4 villages from Slovenian register came under croatian jurisdiction...
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2010, 05:04:26 PM »

Still one map:

 
Green for, red against.
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