JCP Convention Summer 2010: 8/19 Endorsements posted

[bgwah]

Aye
Aye
Nay

(btw, when we'll resolve Vice Chair thing?)

Do you mean, when will we vote on it? Presumably after we finish our bylaws and establish the rules for it. Everybody kind of prematurely started declaring for party offices out of the blue, but it's cool.

[Bacon King]

Aye, aye, nay

Also I'll be writing more bylaws drafts tomorrow.

[Ebowed]

1) Shall the position of Party Secretary be created?
[  ] Aye
[X] Nay

2) Shall the position of Party Whip be created?
[  ] Aye
[X] Nay

3) Shall the positions of regional chairmen be abolished?
[  ] Aye
[X] Nay

[bullmoose88]

Aye, Aye, Nay

[Marokai Backbeat]

Nay
Aye
Nay

[Oakvale]

Aye
Aye
Aye

[hawkeye59]

1) Shall the position of Party Secretary be created?

The Secretary of the Jesus Christ Party shall be tasked with maintaining communication within the party, to ensure that all party members are informed and kept aware of the actions and decisions of the party. He shall be responsible for maintaining a list of all JCP members, and shall assist the Chairman in preparing full agenda for Jesus Christ Party Conventions.


[ x ] Aye
[  ] Nay


2) Shall the position of Party Whip be created?

The Whip of the Jesus Christ Party shall be tasked with assisting the Chairman in recruiting Atlasians into the party as new members. He shall also be responsible for assisting party candidates with voter contact about elections.

[ x ] Aye
[  ] Nay


3) Shall the positions of regional chairmen be abolished?


[  ] Aye
[ x ] Nay

[Antonio the Sixth]

1) Shall the position of Party Secretary be created?
[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

2) Shall the position of Party Whip be created?
[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

3) Shall the positions of regional chairmen be abolished?
[  ] Aye
[X] Nay

[Hans-im-Glück]

1) Shall the position of Party Secretary be created?
[X] Aye
[  ] Nay

2) Shall the position of Party Whip be created?
[  ] Aye
[  ] Nay
[X] Abstain

3) Shall the positions of regional chairmen be abolished?
[  ] Aye
[X] Nay

[Badger]

1) Shall the position of Party Secretary be created?

The Secretary of the Jesus Christ Party shall be tasked with maintaining communication within the party, to ensure that all party members are informed and kept aware of the actions and decisions of the party. He shall be responsible for maintaining a list of all JCP members, and shall assist the Chairman in preparing full agenda for Jesus Christ Party Conventions.


[ X ] Aye
[  ] Nay


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2) Shall the position of Party Whip be created?

The Whip of the Jesus Christ Party shall be tasked with assisting the Chairman in recruiting Atlasians into the party as new members. He shall also be responsible for assisting party candidates with voter contact about elections.

[ X ] Aye
[  ] Nay


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3) Shall the positions of regional chairmen be abolished?


[  ] Aye
[  ] Nay
[X] Abstain

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

1) Shall the position of Party Secretary be created?

The Secretary of the Jesus Christ Party shall be tasked with maintaining communication within the party, to ensure that all party members are informed and kept aware of the actions and decisions of the party. He shall be responsible for maintaining a list of all JCP members, and shall assist the Chairman in preparing full agenda for Jesus Christ Party Conventions.


[ X ] Aye
[  ] Nay


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2) Shall the position of Party Whip be created?

The Whip of the Jesus Christ Party shall be tasked with assisting the Chairman in recruiting Atlasians into the party as new members. He shall also be responsible for assisting party candidates with voter contact about elections.

[ X ] Aye
[  ] Nay


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3) Shall the positions of regional chairmen be abolished?


[  ] Aye
[X] Nay
[  ] Abstain

[Bacon King]

This is pending the certification of Chairman Bgwah, but results of these votes seem to be as follows:

Question 1: 12 ayes, 3 nays
Question 2: 12 ayes, 2 nays, 1 abstention
Question 3: 3 ayes, 11 nays, 1 abstention

Pretty clear opinion from the party here, I think.

[bgwah]

^ Indeed. 1 and 2 have passed and 3 has failed.

In that case, let us return to the draft Bacon King wrote...

As written by BK:

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I would prefer changing election months for party officials to coincide with Presidential elections, though I would also include a "special" election next month to fill the positions and resolve all the offices people clearly want to run for!

Additionally, I would add a Clause G that says should an officer be removed (see F), the Chairman may appoint a replacement who will serve the remainder of the term.

I think when terms begin and end should also be defined. Perhaps the first Friday of the following month as is the case for federal offices? Leadership changes right before an election could be confusing.

I would also prefer people declaring for a party office themselves rather than by nomination, but I suppose this isn't terribly important to me.

I believe the DA and RPP both have their non-Chair positions appointed. Is that something we should consider? It doesn't really matter to me, just wondering.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

^ Indeed. 1 and 2 have passed and 3 has failed.

In that case, let us return to the draft Bacon King wrote...

As written by BK:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I would prefer changing election months for party officials to coincide with Presidential elections, though I would also include a "special" election next month to fill the positions and resolve all the offices people clearly want to run for!

Additionally, I would add a Clause G that says should an officer be removed (see F), the Chairman may appoint a replacement who will serve the remainder of the term.

I think when terms begin and end should also be defined. Perhaps the first Friday of the following month as is the case for federal offices? Leadership changes right before an election could be confusing.

I would also prefer people declaring for a party office themselves rather than by nomination, but I suppose this isn't terribly important to me.

I believe the DA and RPP both have their non-Chair positions appointed. Is that something we should consider? It doesn't really matter to me, just wondering.

To the issue of when the terms end and begin, how about beginning the Friday after an election (1 or 2 weeks), and ending the day before election.  There would be no officers in this short gap, but I doubt that it'd be a big deal.  And I support grouping the Federal and Party elections.  I will also support the appointment of officers only in the case of an officer resigning or is forced out of office.

I would also like to amend Clause E from a 1/5 signatures required to a 1/4 signatures required.  A more sizable majority makes a greater case for deposition.  I also think we should define procedure in the case of a resignation or impeachment.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

So are we going to get any of this done?

[Bacon King]

Ah, apologies, I've been a bit busy with real life issues (The Tulane website wasn't letting me register for my classes next semester; I've been on the phone with six different departments trying to figure it out and only now has it been fixed. This is AFTER, of course, an adviser misinformed me that I had a block on my registration due to some sort of outstanding debt that didn't even exist).

Nevertheless, I'll type out the rest of the bylaws pretty soon.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Ah, apologies, I've been a bit busy with real life issues (The Tulane website wasn't letting me register for my classes next semester; I've been on the phone with six different departments trying to figure it out and only now has it been fixed. This is AFTER, of course, an adviser misinformed me that I had a block on my registration due to some sort of outstanding debt that didn't even exist).

Nevertheless, I'll type out the rest of the bylaws pretty soon.

It's fine, I just thought the party completely forgot we had some reforming to do.

[bgwah]

Does anybody else have anything to say about my proposed changes? If Bacon King doesn't mind I might just go ahead and amend them if nobody cares...

[Badger]

^ Indeed. 1 and 2 have passed and 3 has failed.

In that case, let us return to the draft Bacon King wrote...

As written by BK:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I would prefer changing election months for party officials to coincide with Presidential elections, though I would also include a "special" election next month to fill the positions and resolve all the offices people clearly want to run for!

Additionally, I would add a Clause G that says should an officer be removed (see F), the Chairman may appoint a replacement who will serve the remainder of the term.

I think when terms begin and end should also be defined. Perhaps the first Friday of the following month as is the case for federal offices? Leadership changes right before an election could be confusing.

I would also prefer people declaring for a party office themselves rather than by nomination, but I suppose this isn't terribly important to me.

I believe the DA and RPP both have their non-Chair positions appointed. Is that something we should consider? It doesn't really matter to me, just wondering.

To the issue of when the terms end and begin, how about beginning the Friday after an election (1 or 2 weeks), and ending the day before election.  There would be no officers in this short gap, but I doubt that it'd be a big deal.  And I support grouping the Federal and Party elections.  I will also support the appointment of officers only in the case of an officer resigning or is forced out of office.

I would also like to amend Clause E from a 1/5 signatures required to a 1/4 signatures required.  A more sizable majority makes a greater case for deposition.  I also think we should define procedure in the case of a resignation or impeachment.

My two cents on the various proposals, FWIW:

I prefer bgwah's suggestion for the period of officers terms. We can and should avoid even brief periods of vacancy.

Bgwah also has the right idea to allow the Chair to appoint an interim officer to serve until the next convention, but this should include not only vacancies caused by an officer's involuntary removal pursuant to Section 2 Para F, but any resulting officer vacancy including voluntary resignation and the like. Otherwise any vacancy resulting from reasons other than removal for cause can't be filled until the next convention pursuant to Sec. 2 Para B.

I firmly believe we should elect non-Chair positions.

Maybe candidates could be nominated by anyone, including themselves, but any nomination must be seconded? This might avoid wasting time on 14-1 officer elections, but like Bgwah this isn't terribly important to me either.

Otherwise I like all Bgwah's suggestions and could go either way on whether the signature threshold for officer recall petitions should be 1/4 or 1/5 of party members.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

^ Indeed. 1 and 2 have passed and 3 has failed.

In that case, let us return to the draft Bacon King wrote...

As written by BK:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I would prefer changing election months for party officials to coincide with Presidential elections, though I would also include a "special" election next month to fill the positions and resolve all the offices people clearly want to run for!

Additionally, I would add a Clause G that says should an officer be removed (see F), the Chairman may appoint a replacement who will serve the remainder of the term.

I think when terms begin and end should also be defined. Perhaps the first Friday of the following month as is the case for federal offices? Leadership changes right before an election could be confusing.

I would also prefer people declaring for a party office themselves rather than by nomination, but I suppose this isn't terribly important to me.

I believe the DA and RPP both have their non-Chair positions appointed. Is that something we should consider? It doesn't really matter to me, just wondering.

To the issue of when the terms end and begin, how about beginning the Friday after an election (1 or 2 weeks), and ending the day before election.  There would be no officers in this short gap, but I doubt that it'd be a big deal.  And I support grouping the Federal and Party elections.  I will also support the appointment of officers only in the case of an officer resigning or is forced out of office.

I would also like to amend Clause E from a 1/5 signatures required to a 1/4 signatures required.  A more sizable majority makes a greater case for deposition.  I also think we should define procedure in the case of a resignation or impeachment.

My two cents on the various proposals, FWIW:

I prefer bgwah's suggestion for the period of officers terms. We can and should avoid even brief periods of vacancy.

Bgwah also has the right idea to allow the Chair to appoint an interim officer to serve until the next convention, but this should include not only vacancies caused by an officer's involuntary removal pursuant to Section 2 Para F, but any resulting officer vacancy including voluntary resignation and the like. Otherwise any vacancy resulting from reasons other than removal for cause can't be filled until the next convention pursuant to Sec. 2 Para B.

I firmly believe we should elect non-Chair positions.

Maybe candidates could be nominated by anyone, including themselves, but any nomination must be seconded? This might avoid wasting time on 14-1 officer elections, but like Bgwah this isn't terribly important to me either.

Otherwise I like all Bgwah's suggestions and could go either way on whether the signature threshold for officer recall petitions should be 1/4 or 1/5 of party members.

I will support those proposals for appointing an officer, but only if and when one resigns or is impeached.  I will also concede to the proposed term durations.

I still stand by the change to 1/4 signature threshold in order to create a better and more solid reasoning for impeachment.  I also propose we fully define impeachment proceedings if we ever come upon the necessity.

I also like the idea of being nominated and seconded, but I'd like to say we have every candidate for each office get two endorsements in order to run.  Those who endorse will not be able to run for the same office, and it will make sure there are no massive 14-way elections.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

For Vice Chair, Secretary and Whip we should elect them now and then on next convention for regular term

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

For Vice Chair, Secretary and Whip we should elect them now and then on next convention for regular term

I thought we were  planning a special election for all offices sometime in the coming weeks.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

For Vice Chair, Secretary and Whip we should elect them now and then on next convention for regular term

I thought we were  planning a special election for all offices sometime in the coming weeks.

Oh, ok.

[Badger]

I still stand by the change to 1/4 signature threshold in order to create a better and more solid reasoning for impeachment.  I also propose we fully define impeachment proceedings if we ever come upon the necessity.

That's cool. While a 1/5 threshold wouldn't bother me, I'll likely support a 1/4 threshold if it comes to a vote.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

I'll start working on my own version of the bylaws, so we'll have some options when it comes time to finalize.