Establishment candidates

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Who were the 'establishment candidates' for each primary?

You can go back as far as you want, do R's and D's if you want.

I'll do a list later tonight, but Jeopardy is about to be on.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Who were the 'establishment candidates' for each primary?

You can go back as far as you want, do R's and D's if you want.

I'll do a list later tonight, but Jeopardy is about to be on.

You watch the show? Nice!

2008: Clinton and Giuliani

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Who were the 'establishment candidates' for each primary?

You can go back as far as you want, do R's and D's if you want.

I'll do a list later tonight, but Jeopardy is about to be on.

You watch the show? Nice!

2008: Clinton and Giuliani

Yeah. Most of the categories were junk today, though.

Republicans:

1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Nixon
1964: Rockefeller
1968: Nixon
1972: Nixon
1976: Ford
1980: Bush
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush
1992: Bush
1996: Dole
2000: Bush
2004: Bush
2008: Giuliani, then Romney, then McCain.

EDIT: Including Democrats.

1952: Stevenson
1956: Stevenson
1960: Johnson
1964: Johnson
1968: Humphrey
1972: Muskie
1976: Udall?
1980: Carter
1984: Mondale
1988: Dukakis
1992: Harkin
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Kerry
2008: Clinton

[hcallega]

Democrats
2008: Hillary Clinton
2004: John Kerry
2000: Al Gore
1996: Bill Clinton
1992: No one really, Tsongas I suppose
1988: Michael Dukakis
1984: Walter Mondale
1980: Jimmy Carter
1976: Mo Udall, then Carter (against the anybody but Carter forces)
1972: Ed Muskie, then Hubert Humphrey
1968: LBJ, then Humphrey
1964: Johnson
1960: Johnson
1956: Stevenson
1952: Stevenson

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

McCain and Obama were both establishment candidates.

The only time non-establishment candidates won the primaries were perhaps the Republicans 1964 and Democrats 1972.

Of course the establishment got its revenge both times in the general.

[Bo]

Dems:
1948:Truman
1952:No one
1956:Stevenson
1960:No one
1964:LBJ
1968:Humphrey
1972:Muskie
1976:No one
1980:Carter
1984:Mondale
1988:No one (Maybe Cuomo if he had decided to run)
1992:No one
1996:B. Clinton
2000:Gore
2004:Kerry
2008:H. Clinton

GOP:
1948:Dewey
1952:Taft, then Ike
1956:Ike
1960:Nixon
1964:Rockefeller
1968:Nixon
1972:Nixon
1976:Ford
1980:No one
1984:Reagan
1988:Bush Sr.
1992:Bush Sr.
1996:Dole
2000:Bush Jr.
2004:Bush Jr.
2008:Romney

[Derek]

1960- Nixon
1964- Johnson
1968- Humphrey
1972- Nixon
1976- Ford
1980- Carter
1984- Reagan
1988- Bush
1992- Bush
1996- Clinton
2000- Gore
2004- Bush
2008- McCain

[Derek]

Dems:

1968- Johnson
1972- McGovern
1976- Byrd
1980- Carter
1984- Mondale
1988- Gephardt
1992- Kerrey
1996- Clinton
2000- Gore
2004- Gephardt
2008- Hillary

[Derek]

I'll go for Johnson in 1960 and 1964 for the dems.

GOP:

1956- Eisenhower
1960- Nixon
1964- Rockefeller
1968- Nixon
1972- Nixon
1976- Ford
1980- Dole/Bush
1984- Reagan
1988- Bush
1992- Bush
1996- Dole
2000- Bush
2004- Bush
2008- McCain

[cpeeks]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

[hcallega]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

Exactly. If he hadn't been the establishment candidate he wouldn't have won the nomination.

Also in reference to Harkin and Gephardt, neither were establishment candidates. Harkin was to the left of the mainstream Democratic party, and Gephardt (in 2004) never had the support of any establishment Democratic groups. Heck, big labor didn't even endorse him!

[Derek]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

If Humphrey didn't run in the 1968 primaries then how did he become the Democratic nominee?

[Derek]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

Exactly. If he hadn't been the establishment candidate he wouldn't have won the nomination.

Also in reference to Harkin and Gephardt, neither were establishment candidates. Harkin was to the left of the mainstream Democratic party, and Gephardt (in 2004) never had the support of any establishment Democratic groups. Heck, big labor didn't even endorse him!

Is Harkin really that far to the left? I actually didn't mind Gephardt outside of economics.

[Bo]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

If Humphrey didn't run in the 1968 primaries then how did he become the Democratic nominee?

Back then superdelgates were the majority of all delegates, and thus theoretically a candidate didn't have to run in the primaries if many superdelegates supported his bid for the nomination.

[Derek]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

If Humphrey didn't run in the 1968 primaries then how did he become the Democratic nominee?

Back then superdelgates were the majority of all delegates, and thus theoretically a candidate didn't have to run in the primaries if many superdelegates supported his bid for the nomination.

So screw the voters of our party. After all we're politicians and we know more than you? That's a great way to advocate democracy and freedom. So much for the popular vote.

[cpeeks]

Um first of all regardless of what your hero Dubya says we are not a democracy we are a representative republic.

[Derek]

Um first of all regardless of what your hero Dubya says we are not a democracy we are a representative republic.

Yes I know "To the Republic for which it stands." The left in our country seems to think we're a democracy and if you don't think they do just go to the public schools and ask our children what they're taught. Like I said so much for the popular vote... 2000

[cpeeks]

Well I know that you believe everything fox news tell you, and to me that is no worse that what the left does, your a neo-con, your not a conservative.

[Derek]

Well I know that you believe everything fox news tell you, and to me that is no worse that what the left does, your a neo-con, your not a conservative.

Fox News is your friend!

[cpeeks]

I cant even bare to hit that station as I flip through the channels.

[Derek]

I cant even bare to hit that station as I flip through the channels.

I feel the same way with PMSNBC.

[The Mikado]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

If Humphrey didn't run in the 1968 primaries then how did he become the Democratic nominee?

Back then superdelgates were the majority of all delegates, and thus theoretically a candidate didn't have to run in the primaries if many superdelegates supported his bid for the nomination.

So screw the voters of our party. After all we're politicians and we know more than you? That's a great way to advocate democracy and freedom. So much for the popular vote.

That's literally exactly what happened (Though Humphrey did run in some of the later primaries).  Had R. Kennedy not gotten shot, though, he very well could've garnered enough Establishment support to beat Humphrey at the convention.  Eugene McCarthy, who was, frankly, pretty s&&tty a the electioneering side of politics, was never going to upset the Establishment at the Convention.

Daley's cops beating the hell out of kids outside the Convention was horrendous from a PR standpoint and really undermined the Democratic Party for years.

[Хahar 🤔]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

If Humphrey didn't run in the 1968 primaries then how did he become the Democratic nominee?

Back then superdelgates were the majority of all delegates, and thus theoretically a candidate didn't have to run in the primaries if many superdelegates supported his bid for the nomination.

So screw the voters of our party. After all we're politicians and we know more than you? That's a great way to advocate democracy and freedom. So much for the popular vote.

That's literally exactly what happened (Though Humphrey did run in some of the later primaries).  Had R. Kennedy not gotten shot, though, he very well could've garnered enough Establishment support to beat Humphrey at the convention.  Eugene McCarthy, who was, frankly, pretty s&&tty a the electioneering side of politics, was never going to upset the Establishment at the Convention.

Daley's cops beating the hell out of kids outside the Convention was horrendous from a PR standpoint and really undermined the Democratic Party for years.

I'm pretty sure Humphrey didn't run in any of them. The DC primary in 1960 was the only contested primary he ever won.

[Derek]

Humphrey didnt even run in the prymaries in 1968.

If Humphrey didn't run in the 1968 primaries then how did he become the Democratic nominee?

Back then superdelgates were the majority of all delegates, and thus theoretically a candidate didn't have to run in the primaries if many superdelegates supported his bid for the nomination.

So screw the voters of our party. After all we're politicians and we know more than you? That's a great way to advocate democracy and freedom. So much for the popular vote.

That's literally exactly what happened (Though Humphrey did run in some of the later primaries).  Had R. Kennedy not gotten shot, though, he very well could've garnered enough Establishment support to beat Humphrey at the convention.  Eugene McCarthy, who was, frankly, pretty s&&tty a the electioneering side of politics, was never going to upset the Establishment at the Convention.

Daley's cops beating the hell out of kids outside the Convention was horrendous from a PR standpoint and really undermined the Democratic Party for years.

Which is why I'm Republican.