French Political Parties Survivor

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UMP is out

round nineteen is open, normal round.

top 3 are: Greens, PS, PCF

go!

PS

[Antonio the Sixth]

PCF

The party of an era which is over. And in their "good old days", the PCF has been a bunch of stalinian hacks.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

PCF!!

Yes, Over!

[Nhoj]

PS
Also according to the list on the front page it is top four is it not?

[big bad fab]

It is the top 4, because Parti Radical is still here.

Frankly, it is really disappointing: my top 3 were PS, PCF, Parti Radical, in that order.
Those parties are, by far, the most interesting:
PR by its fantastic history and its so loose organization
PCF because that's how parties should be organized () and, well, it's so much historical (and even historic sometimes)
PS because that's how wings, how parochial system are the finest.

TBH, I'd hesitated between PS and PCF for the top, with a slight preference for the PS.

But, now, with those so-called "green" libertarians (Waechter is a real ecologist) likely to win, well, I'm sad. Of course, it's a bit less ridiculous than Piraten in Germany, but not much less.

Anyway, my vote pour mémoire:
Greens

even if I should vote for the PS in order to make PCF win...

[Antonio the Sixth]

You supported PS for survivor ??

Yeah, I admit that this one was unexpected, congrats.

As for me, the likely upcoming top 3 (Radical, PS, greens) is fully satisfying.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

But, now, with those so-called "green" libertarians (Waechter is a real ecologist) likely to win, well, I'm sad. Of course, it's a bit less ridiculous than Piraten in Germany, but not much less.

Calling Greens 'libertarians' is a bit too much given how restrictive they can be on some issues, socially libertarians at best.

I'm far to be a fan of them, especially of their capacity to mess them up and of some of their knee-jerking, and their lycéen style, but well, at least that are the only ones who don't live in XXth century schemes which might be useful in politics which is about managing the present.

[Edu]

The Greens

[big bad fab]

But, now, with those so-called "green" libertarians (Waechter is a real ecologist) likely to win, well, I'm sad. Of course, it's a bit less ridiculous than Piraten in Germany, but not much less.

Calling Greens 'libertarians' is a bit too much given how restrictive they can be on some issues, socially libertarians at best.

I'm far to be a fan of them, especially of their capacity to mess them up and of some of their knee-jerking, and their lycéen style, but well, at least that are the only ones who don't live in XXth century schemes which might be useful in politics which is about managing the present.

Social libertarians, of course, you're right.
That's enough said for me !
But, here, I first wanted to oust what is NOT a party despite attempts by people like Jean-Vincent Placé or Yves Contassot to make it as "awful" as the big ones !

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

But, here, I first wanted to oust what is NOT a party despite attempts by people like Jean-Vincent Placé or Yves Contassot to make it as "awful" as the big ones !

Owww, Jean-Vincent Placé, please no. No no no. Non. That guy is screwing all the sexiness of Greens (I don't only speak of the fact that he is less appealing than Duflot (who I don't see as a model either, but not so bad)), but really he is far too technician and arrogant, and I dislike his tactics to make Greens grow, not saying someone would have wonderful ideas there about that, but I don't like his.

A poor thing for him being that because of his ethnic origins, I would be surprised that nobody enjoyed to call him a 'Khmer Vert', which is a kinda nasty way to call Greens here for some people (though sometimes that could have been 'kinda' accurate, especially when the awful Mamère/Voynet/Lipietz trio was ahead) and which here would rather be some bad taste, after all that fact might bare people from using this expression, which would be good since it's not a pretty one.

[big bad fab]

I hate Placé and Contassot and Baupin, let me be clear.
I just say (without judging) that they are more "classical" politicians, with all the maneuvers and the shenanigans, that's all.
Mamère is also a "green khmer", not because he is an"organizer" but because of his zero tolerance and because of the fact he is infatuated of himself.

Voynet, Cochet, and all those around Waechter, at the time (Buchmann), were all "truer", at least a bit, in their inability to organize and in the fact they always make (or made in the case of Voynet...) their views prevail on their career.

Duflot, for the moment, can't be put in one category, but I think she is on a bad path.

So, make no mistake, I don't want the Greens to be controlled by Placé. I just say that their internal fights are more and more "classical" and less an dless ideological: they are normalizing themselves, but that's very slow.

And in this survivor, I want to vote for parties, real parties, not for "movements". Everyone has his criterias .

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UMP is out

round twenty is open, vote away

top 3 are: Greens, PS, PR

go!

Greens

[Nhoj]

Greens.

[Edu]

The Greens

[Antonio the Sixth]

Parti Radical

A party with a great history undoubtedly, but absolutely irrelevant now except for Borloo. In this way not that different of the "ego trips" fab denounced about the PG or the CAP.

[big bad fab]

for PCF

Greens !

[Hans-im-Glück]

Parti Radical

[Antonio the Sixth]

greens

Why did you change your vote ?

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

...Valoisien.

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Greens are out.

Round twenty-one, the final between PS and PRV, is open:

Vote to eliminate one

PS

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

The one with the fancy name. I think it's obvious.

[big bad fab]

I have to be coherent:

PS ftw

eliminate Parti radical

(what have I just written !!! )

[Nhoj]

Parti radical ftw

eliminate PS

[big bad fab]

That would be so funny: the PS losing despite one vote from the French rightist

[big bad fab]

ps is party of mitterand and should have gone first.

Of course, I don't like the PS (and Mitterrand; and I hate Aubry) (since 1990 and the Yugoslav wars to be precise; before, I was "rocardien" ).

But what I'm interested in here is all the shenanigans and internal fights, all those wings:
Rocard, Chevènement, Mauroy, Poperen
Fabius vs Jospin
"transcourants"
Emmanuelli
DSK vs Fabius vs Aubry vs Royal vs Hollande
fights among DSK and Fabius lieutenants
local "barons"
etc, etc, etc

So fascinating...

But, well, the Radical Party is also very, very interesting.