Obama puts his finger in the face of Stephen Harper

[cinyc]

kisses Brazilian socialists

You know who the President of Brazil's Central Bank is? He's a real socialist, I tell ya.

Good on Obama for apparently scolding Harpy.

I know who the President of Brazil is.  He is a socialist.

Haha. Anyway, answer my original question or admit that you don't know jacksh**t about Brazilian politics.

It's totally irrelevant.  Obama wasn't warmly embracing the central bank chief (who is a US trained economist - so what).

The fact is that Lula campaigned as a socialist and is a socialist - a soft socialist, not in the Chavez mold, but a socialist nonetheless.

[King]

kisses Brazilian socialists

You know who the President of Brazil's Central Bank is? He's a real socialist, I tell ya.

Good on Obama for apparently scolding Harpy.

I know who the President of Brazil is.  He is a socialist.

Haha. Anyway, answer my original question or admit that you don't know jacksh**t about Brazilian politics.

It's totally irrelevant.  Obama wasn't warmly embracing the central bank chief (who is a US trained economist - so what).

The fact is that Lula campaigned as a socialist and is a socialist - a soft socialist, not in the Chavez mold, but a socialist nonetheless.

To be fair, socialism is the right wing of South America.

[Lief 🗽]

kisses Brazilian socialists

You know who the President of Brazil's Central Bank is? He's a real socialist, I tell ya.

Good on Obama for apparently scolding Harpy.

I know who the President of Brazil is.  He is a socialist.

Haha. Anyway, answer my original question or admit that you don't know jacksh**t about Brazilian politics.

It's totally irrelevant.  Obama wasn't warmly embracing the central bank chief (who is a US trained economist - so what).

The fact is that Lula campaigned as a socialist and is a socialist - a soft socialist, not in the Chavez mold, but a socialist nonetheless.

Again, what is your point? He is a socialist. So?

[Marokai Backbeat]

kisses Brazilian socialists

You know who the President of Brazil's Central Bank is? He's a real socialist, I tell ya.

Good on Obama for apparently scolding Harpy.

I know who the President of Brazil is.  He is a socialist.

Haha. Anyway, answer my original question or admit that you don't know jacksh**t about Brazilian politics.

It's totally irrelevant.  Obama wasn't warmly embracing the central bank chief (who is a US trained economist - so what).

The fact is that Lula campaigned as a socialist and is a socialist - a soft socialist, not in the Chavez mold, but a socialist nonetheless.

Again, what is your point? He is a socialist. So?

You don't get it, Lief. The word "Socialism" is supposed to invoke the same reaction as the Cruciatus Curse.

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kisses Brazilian socialists

You know who the President of Brazil's Central Bank is? He's a real socialist, I tell ya.

Good on Obama for apparently scolding Harpy.

I know who the President of Brazil is.  He is a socialist.

Haha. Anyway, answer my original question or admit that you don't know jacksh**t about Brazilian politics.

It's totally irrelevant.  Obama wasn't warmly embracing the central bank chief (who is a US trained economist - so what).

The fact is that Lula campaigned as a socialist and is a socialist - a soft socialist, not in the Chavez mold, but a socialist nonetheless.

Lula is a social democrat (and, ftr, his 2002 campaign was a far cry from even what people like you claim is 'socialism'). He was a socialist in 1989. If you bothered reading legit books, you might know the difference between socialism and social democracy.

Furthermore, Lula is such a socialist because:
a) he maintained FHC's privatizations
b) he didn't default on Brazil's foreign debt
c) he didn't repeal FHC's law of fiscal responsibility
d) he appointed a right-winger as President of the Central Bank
e) his Vice President was a successful private businessman
f) he was so popular with socialists that he was/is booed at World Social Forums
g) he was so popular with socialists in his own party that they split off from it
h) his parliamentary allies include conservatives such as Sarney, Maluf and Collor

Please, get a flipping clue.

[cinyc]

Lula is a social democrat (and, ftr, his 2002 campaign was a far cry from even what people like you claim is 'socialism'). He was a socialist in 1989. If you bothered reading legit books, you might know the difference between socialism and social democracy.

Furthermore, Lula is such a socialist because:
a) he maintained FHC's privatizations
b) he didn't default on Brazil's foreign debt
c) he didn't repeal FHC's law of fiscal responsibility
d) he appointed a right-winger as President of the Central Bank
e) his Vice President was a successful private businessman
f) he was so popular with socialists that he was/is booed at World Social Forums
g) he was so popular with socialists in his own party that they split off from it
h) his parliamentary allies include conservatives such as Sarney, Maluf and Collor

Please, get a flipping clue.

In the Amercian context, there is no difference between social democrats and socialists.  They are one and the same, only varying by degree -  calling for increased government intervention in the economy.  They are redistributivists who support confiscatory taxation on the so-called rich, borne out of nonsensical class warfare garbage.  I have as much contempt for soft social democrat socialists as I do for dyed-in-the-wool socialists.

I know Democrats and other "progressives" pine that America should be more like social Democrat Europe, claiming Obama is a social Democrat.  No thanks.  I don't want America to be more like Europe.  I don't want more government intervention in the economy.  I don't support confiscatory taxation on the so-called rich.  The only sad part is that Obama's leftist, hug-a-thug, alienate your allies foreign policy is making the French look sane.

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Seeing that you're only interested in spewing right-wing talking points about socialism and the left, I'm in return not interested in entertaining an actual discussion with you on a topic, Brazilian politics, which you apparently know very little about. Sorry.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Cinyc's nonsensical posts remind me of DWTL's hilarious attempts to persuade us that Vermont is a communist state.

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Cinyc's nonsensical posts remind me of DWTL's hilarious attempts to persuade us that Vermont is a communist state.

The far-right seems one and the same. The far-right lacks originality and gets predictable awfully quickly.

[Badger]

You don't get it, Lief. The word "Socialism" is supposed to invoke the same reaction as the Cruciatus Curse.

That is such a geeky reference, MB.

Hmmm. And spotting it says what about me.....?

Ugh.

[Marokai Backbeat]

You don't get it, Lief. The word "Socialism" is supposed to invoke the same reaction as the Cruciatus Curse.

That is such a geeky reference, MB.

Hmmm. And spotting it says what about me.....?

Ugh.

Geeky Ohioans unite?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The fact is that Lula campaigned as a socialist and is a socialist - a soft socialist,

Most of America's allies have, at one point or another, voted in governments led by Socialist parties. There's no contradiction between a country being an ally of the U.S and that country sometimes have a Socialist party in government. One of the most important figures in the creation of NATO was a Socialist and most of the numerous Social Democratic governments of the 1960s supported US policy over Vietnam.

[Хahar 🤔]

The fact is that Lula campaigned as a socialist and is a socialist - a soft socialist,

Most of America's allies have, at one point or another, voted in governments led by Socialist parties. There's no contradiction between a country being an ally of the U.S and that country sometimes have a Socialist party in government. One of the most important figures in the creation of NATO was a Socialist and most of the numerous Social Democratic governments of the 1960s supported US policy over Vietnam.

What countries haven't done so? Canada comes to mind, of course, but I can't think of any others. Is Ireland still non-aligned?