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« on: March 27, 2010, 03:28:23 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2010, 05:03:08 PM »

Grover Cleveland, easily. What kind of question is this? Wilson was a racist scumbag.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2010, 05:30:37 PM »
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Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves credit for WWI, but he was a bigot.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2010, 06:28:26 PM »

Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves to be credit for WWI, but and he was a bigot.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2010, 07:49:05 PM »

Did three people seriously vote for Wilson?

I can't believe how close this is either.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 09:08:09 PM »

Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves to be credit for WWI, but and he was a bigot.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2010, 09:18:47 PM »

Why is this a question? I thought it was an accepted fact that Cleveland was better. One could argue that Wilson indirectly killed over 6 million Jewish.   
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2010, 09:30:51 PM »

Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves credit for WWI, but he was a bigot.
What about WWI does Wilson deserve credit for?
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2010, 10:10:10 PM »

Why is this a question? I thought it was an accepted fact that Cleveland was better. One could argue that Wilson indirectly killed over 6 million Jewish.   

One could, but one would be incredibly stupid for doing so.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2010, 10:46:53 PM »

Cleveland
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2010, 11:49:39 PM »

Cleveland
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2010, 11:49:49 PM »

Grover.
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2010, 12:31:43 AM »

Cleveland. Duh.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2010, 12:49:15 AM »

Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves credit for WWI, but he was a bigot.
What about WWI does Wilson deserve credit for?

His decision for the United States to enter the war prevented a win for Austria-Hungary and Germany after Russia withdrew.
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2010, 12:54:54 AM »

Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves credit for WWI, but he was a bigot.
What about WWI does Wilson deserve credit for?

His decision for the United States to enter the war prevented a win for Austria-Hungary and Germany after Russia withdrew.

It's not a guarantee that the Central Powers would have won WWI if the U.S. did not enter in 1917. Also, Wilson entered WWI too late--if he had entered sooner, the Bolshevik Revolution and the Cold War might have been prevented. Also, Wilson screwed up in the aftermath of WWI since he did not threaten to cut aid and loans to Britain and France if they did not accept lentient conditions on Germany. Had he done that, Britain and France might have agreed to make the reparations Germany had to pay a bit more lenient. That way, WWII might have also been prevented.
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2010, 12:47:22 PM »

Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves credit for WWI, but he was a bigot.
What about WWI does Wilson deserve credit for?

His decision for the United States to enter the war prevented a win for Austria-Hungary and Germany after Russia withdrew.

It's not a guarantee that the Central Powers would have won WWI if the U.S. did not enter in 1917. Also, Wilson entered WWI too late--if he had entered sooner, the Bolshevik Revolution and the Cold War might have been prevented. Also, Wilson screwed up in the aftermath of WWI since he did not threaten to cut aid and loans to Britain and France if they did not accept lentient conditions on Germany. Had he done that, Britain and France might have agreed to make the reparations Germany had to pay a bit more lenient. That way, WWII might have also been prevented.

The Czar was on his way out when he lost the war against Japan.

I know it's hard to believe but America doesn't have that big an influence in Russian politics. Wilson had nothing to do with the Bolshevik revolution. Just like Reagan had nothing to do with the collapse of the iron curtain.
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2010, 12:58:13 PM »

Definitely Cleveland. I realize that Wilson deserves credit for WWI, but he was a bigot.
What about WWI does Wilson deserve credit for?

His decision for the United States to enter the war prevented a win for Austria-Hungary and Germany after Russia withdrew.

It's not a guarantee that the Central Powers would have won WWI if the U.S. did not enter in 1917. Also, Wilson entered WWI too late--if he had entered sooner, the Bolshevik Revolution and the Cold War might have been prevented. Also, Wilson screwed up in the aftermath of WWI since he did not threaten to cut aid and loans to Britain and France if they did not accept lentient conditions on Germany. Had he done that, Britain and France might have agreed to make the reparations Germany had to pay a bit more lenient. That way, WWII might have also been prevented.

The Czar was on his way out when he lost the war against Japan.

I know it's hard to believe but America doesn't have that big an influence in Russian politics. Wilson had nothing to do with the Bolshevik revolution. Just like Reagan had nothing to do with the collapse of the iron curtain.

I know Wilson didn't have anything to do directly with the Bolshevik Revolution, and I know that the Russian Tsar was becoming increasingly unpopular. However, if Wilson got the U.S. into WWI sooner, the Tsar might have been overthrown eventually, but the Bolshevik Revolution might not have occured since WWI might have been over by that point and the Russian people might decide to continue supporting Alexander Kerensky's govt. due to their improving lives after the end of WWI. Thus, my point is still valid. Do you disagree with me on any of my other points?
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2010, 06:51:26 PM »

Cleveland, but both were pretty awful.
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2010, 07:43:48 PM »

Wilson, by a mile.
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2010, 11:57:07 PM »


You know Ben, I really like you man.  You are a very nice cool guy, but when you say evil vile vulgar things like this.....it makes me mourn for your sanity.
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 12:09:31 AM »

You know Ben, I really like you man.  You are a very nice cool guy, but when you say evil vile vulgar things like this.....it makes me mourn for your sanity.

Mech, I do debate and speech; my sanity is long gone.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 12:14:38 AM »

You know Ben, I really like you man.  You are a very nice cool guy, but when you say evil vile vulgar things like this.....it makes me mourn for your sanity.

Mech, I do debate and speech; my sanity is long gone.

Oh sh*t, this is worse than I thought..........
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 04:06:45 AM »

Cleveland was better, though that's not saying much.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2010, 06:47:20 AM »

The one who wasn't in the KKK
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2010, 04:36:30 PM »


Neither of them was IN the KKK.
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