Opinion of George W. Bush

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

[segwaystyle2012]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

Saddam probably did have WMDs. The worst thing Bush did was set the stage for Obama's election.

[paul718]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

He based his decision on intelligence, the quality of which was questionable.  He was ignorant and lazy.  But to say he lied is rather harsh.

[Free Palestine]

I voted HP, by the way.  Regardless of how he personally thought, Bush entering the White House was a bad way to start off the 21st Century.

[segwaystyle2012]

I voted HP, by the way.  Regardless of how he personally thought, Bush entering the White House was a bad way to start off the 21st Century.

Consider the alternative though and see the light.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

He based his decision on intelligence, the quality of which was questionable.  He was ignorant and lazy.  But to say he lied is rather harsh.

The 'intelligence' was manufactured to support the lies that administration was prepared to sell to the American people. Bush, Cheney, Powell, and the rest of the gang knew full well that they were presenting lies to the world as justification for launching an illegal war.

[segwaystyle2012]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

He based his decision on intelligence, the quality of which was questionable.  He was ignorant and lazy.  But to say he lied is rather harsh.

The 'intelligence' was manufactured to support the lies that administration was prepared to sell to the American people. Bush, Cheney, Powell, and the rest of the gang knew full well that they were presenting lies to the world as justification for launching an illegal war.

I think they even picked the time when they knew they could grab the most people's attention to start their propaganda machine to generate support. That being said I think Saddam had WMDs but that is no reason to go to war.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I voted HP, by the way.  Regardless of how he personally thought, Bush entering the White House was a bad way to start off the 21st Century.

Consider the alternative though and see the light.

In retrospect, Gore and Kerry might have been the ever-so-slightly lesser evils. Both would have probably been one-termers and we wouldn't be suffering under Obama right now.

The only semi-positive legacy of the Bush administration were the Supreme Court appointments, and they are still far from perfect given their authoritarian leanings on certain issues.

[Free Palestine]

I voted HP, by the way.  Regardless of how he personally thought, Bush entering the White House was a bad way to start off the 21st Century.

Consider the alternative though and see the light.

Gore wouldn't have been any worse.  Same big government shit, just from a different asshole.

The only semi-positive legacy of the Bush administration were the Supreme Court appointments, and they are still far from perfect given their authoritarian leanings on certain issues.

Agreed.

[segwaystyle2012]

^^^^^^^

Gore would have got us cap-and-trade in the first term undoubtedly.

[Magic 8-Ball]

A frat boy who let the wrong people do his homework.

Automatic HP.

[Magic 8-Ball]

Have you ever watched one of those old cheesy movies set in a travelling circus? One complete with an agressive and gruff lion tamer (Cheney) with actual real fierce lions (Pearle, Wolfowitz), three piece Jugglers to keep the audience entertained unless they nod off (Rice and Powell), Clowns with ridiculous large shoes and unfunny jokes (Rumsfeld and Gonzalez), tight rope walkers (Paulson and Gates) and an old timer who always seems to hang around the group but seems to have no apparent purpose and spends most of his time doing things for no apparent purpose (Ashcroft). And in that movie there is the always the announcer, the head of that big top, old, deprecit and nearing retirement and his time is up and mired in scandal and always some young kid starting out who magically and mysteriously by some great hollywood-produced force by the end of the movie replaces the old man to become head of the big time, lord of the circus, the prince of clowns and everyone lives happy ever after.

Well America, you have been living that movie, you've seen it your self. The production values are never great on these things and it is all a bit cliche and trite, the characters being so badly written and all. However the only thing different from that regular ur-film is that there was no happy ending and we saw not the romance of getting to the top of a young, ambitious lad but its actuality - the what happens next. That, and it was directed by David Lynch.

I've always liked your posts, but this one is great.

If it weren't so long, I'd make it my signature. 

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

FF.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

FF.

So are you done pretending to be a "moderate" yet?

[paul718]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

He based his decision on intelligence, the quality of which was questionable.  He was ignorant and lazy.  But to say he lied is rather harsh.

The 'intelligence' was manufactured to support the lies that administration was prepared to sell to the American people. Bush, Cheney, Powell, and the rest of the gang knew full well that they were presenting lies to the world as justification for launching an illegal war.

What are you basing that on?  That's one hell of an accusation.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

He based his decision on intelligence, the quality of which was questionable.  He was ignorant and lazy.  But to say he lied is rather harsh.

The 'intelligence' was manufactured to support the lies that administration was prepared to sell to the American people. Bush, Cheney, Powell, and the rest of the gang knew full well that they were presenting lies to the world as justification for launching an illegal war.

What are you basing that on?  That's one hell of an accusation.

Uh, have you been paying attention to anything other than Fox News since 2003? Colin Powell himself admitted that the intelligence was misrepresented with the deliberate intent to mislead.

[segwaystyle2012]

People here are really grasping for straws to defend Dubya. This creep lied through his teeth to send thousands of people to their deaths. He is a truly horrible person on every level.

What did he lie about?

Uh, are you serious? Are you one of the people who thinks Iraq was involved in 9/11, or that Saddam Hussein had WMDs sitting around to attack us with?

He based his decision on intelligence, the quality of which was questionable.  He was ignorant and lazy.  But to say he lied is rather harsh.

The 'intelligence' was manufactured to support the lies that administration was prepared to sell to the American people. Bush, Cheney, Powell, and the rest of the gang knew full well that they were presenting lies to the world as justification for launching an illegal war.

What are you basing that on?  That's one hell of an accusation.

Uh, have you been paying attention to anything other than Fox News since 2003? Colin Powell himself admitted that the intelligence was misrepresented with the deliberate intent to mislead.

Then why believe Powell now?

And as for paul718, I've seen him bash Fox News many times and I think he actually said he prefers CNN and MSNBC, which still suck equally as badly, IMO.

[paul718]

What are you basing that on?  That's one hell of an accusation.

Uh, have you been paying attention to anything other than Fox News since 2003? Colin Powell himself admitted that the intelligence was misrepresented with the deliberate intent to mislead.

Link?

And as for paul718, I've seen him bash Fox News many times and I think he actually said he prefers CNN and MSNBC, which still suck equally as badly, IMO.

Yup.  Thanks. 

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

What are you basing that on?  That's one hell of an accusation.

Uh, have you been paying attention to anything other than Fox News since 2003? Colin Powell himself admitted that the intelligence was misrepresented with the deliberate intent to mislead.

Link?

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames/1442

Even before then, the intelligence agencies themselves were saying publicly that their intelligence had been misrepresented by the administration.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/14/60II/main577975.shtml

[opebo]

He's did what no president could do in 150 years in reaching James Buchanan levels of fail.

Carter?

Carter was awesome.

Carter was quite good, and is certainly one of the more underrated presidents.

As for Bush, well, he's a vile, disgusting person - a kind of banal monster - and of course incredibly harmful for most americans.

But I will say this - I never saw a President who fitted his sad land any better.  When I think 'american', I think George W. Bush.

[paul718]

What are you basing that on?  That's one hell of an accusation.

Uh, have you been paying attention to anything other than Fox News since 2003? Colin Powell himself admitted that the intelligence was misrepresented with the deliberate intent to mislead.

Link?

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames/1442

That article says nothing about Bush lying, only that Bush relied on Chalabi's lies. 

"Yet Powell said on MTP, 'it turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and in some cases, deliberately misleading.' Powell did not spell it out, but the main source for this claim was an engineer linked to the Iraqi National Congress, the exile group led by Ahmed Chalabi, who is now part of the Iraqi Governing Council..."

"In other words, the CIA was scammed by Chalabi's outfit, and it never caught on..."

"For months after the invasion, George W. Bush told the public that he had based his decision to invade Iraq on 'good, solid intelligence.' Does he still believe that? Has anyone told him that his government was hornswoggled by Chalabi, who was once convicted of massive bank fraud in Jordan?"

"On Meet the Press, Powell said of the bioweapons claim, "I am disappointed and I regret it." But that's not good enough. Powell provided cover for Bush's case for war. And he's still providing cover for the Bush administration overall. Why is he not angrily calling for an inquiry into how Chalibi flim-flammed the CIA and the administration?"

"The secretary of state revealed that he, the CIA and the administration were conned (perhaps too easily) by exiles supported by the Pentagon, and this fraud helped set the stage for a war and a bloody and difficult occupation that still is claiming the lives of Americans." 

Thank you for proving my point. 

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Again, this article says nothing about Bush lying. 

"Thursday marks one year since Secretary Powell's U.N. speech. In that time, Thielmann has come to his own conclusion about the presentation. He believes the decision to go to war was made - and intelligence was interpreted to fit that conclusion.

"There's plenty of blame to go around. The main problem was that the senior administration officials have what I call faith-based intelligence. They knew what they wanted the intelligence to show,' says Thielmann.

"They were really blind and deaf to any kind of countervailing information the intelligence community would produce. I would assign some blame to the intelligence community and most of the blame to the senior administration officials...'

This is the opinion of one intelligence analyst.  And he doesn't outright say that the Administration lied, only that they had too much faith in questionable intelligence.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

Seriously though....a genuine person who I tend to believe did believe in what he was doing.

I have to vote HP regardless of intentions because his presidency was a disaster....but it's more because he's not a "freedom fighter" than anything else. I don't think he's a particularly terrible person.

Yeah, and that makes him even more of an HP. Really, the kind of persons who believe in what they do while doing so much evil are just idiots. The real disasters in the world are caused by mad/stupid people, more than evil ones.

No, I disagree. That may make people more dangerous, but it certainly doesn't make them more horrible people.

Of course I maybe took the meaning of "HP" in the classical forum definition of "person you have a negative opinion of". He's not horrible, true. But he's still far closer to HP than to FF.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

I disagree with his views and policy, but that is in the past. Right now obama is president. The only thing that bothered me is watching how conservatives would go at unnecessary lengths to defend the guy.


During the Bush era I still remember how conservatives would occasionally bring up the Clinton era, and talk about the monica clinton scandal. I was always surprised by how often a conservative would bring that up years after it happened.

It would be easy for Liberals to say "Conservatives are wrong and George Bush is a great example of how conservatism fails".

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I disagree with his views and policy, but that is in the past. Right now obama is president. The only thing that bothered me is watching how conservatives would go at unnecessary lengths to defend the guy.


During the Bush era I still remember how conservatives would occasionally bring up the Clinton era, and talk about the monica clinton scandal. I was always surprised by how often a conservative would bring that up years after it happened.

John, I'm gonna gag......The Big O's administration constantly bad raps Bush......and I see no sign of it ending, do you?

[opebo]

During the Bush era I still remember how conservatives would occasionally bring up the Clinton era, and talk about the monica clinton scandal. I was always surprised by how often a conservative would bring that up years after it happened.

John, I'm gonna gag......The Big O's administration constantly bad raps Bush......and I see no sign of it ending, do you?

But isn't the point that they have substantive criticisms like the destruction of the economy and foreign policy, rather than just obsessing about a blow job a decade after it occurred?