The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Anyway, I will be happy to sign this bill, provided that a clause is included to repeal the Abortion Initiative.

I feel dumb now.  My bill would do exactly the same thing as this already existing law.

     Actually, your bill, with my change, would legalize second trimester abortions (should probably repeal the South Carolina & Louisiana bills too while we're at it). Now that's change I can believe in.

1.  Isn't 90 days a trimester?
2.  Why do South Carolina each have independent bills?

     1. Roughly so. The oft-quoted figure of 40 weeks for a human pregnancy works out to 280 days, specifically.

     2. There wasn't enough support for fully outlawing abortion on demand, so for a brief time there was a law that allowed individual states to do so.

[Yelnoc]

It seems like abortion in the third trimester is already illegal.

So, let's table my proposal and move on.

[SvenssonRS]

Since I see nowhere else to post it, I propose an amendment to Speaker Yelnoc's bill...

Unborn Child Protection Act

1.  Noting that...

• With current medical technology, babies can survive outside of the womb during the third  trimester, as evidenced by the plethora of prematurely born babies that survive to become healthy individuals.
• Ending the life of a prematurely born baby is illegal.

2.  On that basis, the Unborn Child Protection Act seeks to extend that protection to fetus's in the third trimester.  All abortions carried out during the 3rd Trimester of pregnancy are hereby illegal
3.  Any physician who knowingly performs an abortion in the third trimester shall be fined under this titled or imprisoned for not more than two years or both.
4.  Exceptions to this law may be made in the case of a threat to the mother's health, rape, or incest.
5.  With the passage of the Unborn Child Protection Act, the previously passed Abortion Initiative shall be repealed, with this act taking its place.

[Yelnoc]

As I said earlier, my bill appears to be the duplicate of an already existing law.  As such I would prefer we move on to other matters.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     And there are others who would prefer that we stay on this matter.

[Yelnoc]

     And there are others who would prefer that we stay on this matter.

Ok then, let's stay on it.  What I'm saying is that the bill I introduced is already on the books.  I don't know what good pursuing it would do.  I am totalling open to someone else drafting a bill in a similiar vein has actual difference, though.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     And there are others who would prefer that we stay on this matter.

Ok then, let's stay on it.  What I'm saying is that the bill I introduced is already on the books.  I don't know what good pursuing it would do.  I am totalling open to someone else drafting a bill in a similiar vein has actual difference, though.

     Because of Darth Svensson's amendment, there is now an actual difference.

[SvenssonRS]

*ahem* Due to finding more information on the matter, I move to amend my amendment as follows.

Unborn Child Protection Act

1.  Noting that...

• With current medical technology, babies can survive outside of the womb during the third  trimester, as evidenced by the plethora of prematurely born babies that survive to become healthy individuals.
• Ending the life of a prematurely born baby is illegal.

2.  On that basis, the Unborn Child Protection Act seeks to extend that protection to fetus's in the third trimester.  All abortions carried out during the 3rd Trimester of pregnancy are hereby illegal
3.  Any physician who knowingly performs an abortion in the third trimester shall be fined under this titled or imprisoned for not more than two years or both.
4.  Exceptions to this law may be made in the case of a threat to the mother's health, rape, or incest.
5.  With the passage of the Unborn Child Protection Act, the previously passed Abortion Initiative, Louisiana Abortion Initiative, and South Carolina Abortion Initiative shall all be repealed, with this act taking their place.

[Yelnoc]

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but doesn't the bill, even with Svensson's amendment still substitute an apple for an apple?  I don't see the difference between the two laws other than word choice.

[SvenssonRS]

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but doesn't the bill, even with Svensson's amendment still substitute an apple for an apple?  I don't see the difference between the two laws other than word choice.

Your bill, plus my amendment, would push the abortion ban back another trimester, making it illegal only in the third.

[Yelnoc]

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but doesn't the bill, even with Svensson's amendment still substitute an apple for an apple?  I don't see the difference between the two laws other than word choice.

Your bill, plus my amendment, would push the abortion ban back another trimester, making it illegal only in the third.

Doesn't the Abortion Ban law only refer to the last trimester (90 day period)?

[SvenssonRS]

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but doesn't the bill, even with Svensson's amendment still substitute an apple for an apple?  I don't see the difference between the two laws other than word choice.

Your bill, plus my amendment, would push the abortion ban back another trimester, making it illegal only in the third.

Doesn't the Abortion Ban law only refer to the last trimester (90 day period)?

"It shall be against the law to induce an abortion in the Southeast Region after the 90th day of the pregnancy except in the case of a severe threat to the mother's health."

Basically, abortion is illegal, as it is, after three months - only one trimester.

[Yelnoc]

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but doesn't the bill, even with Svensson's amendment still substitute an apple for an apple?  I don't see the difference between the two laws other than word choice.

Your bill, plus my amendment, would push the abortion ban back another trimester, making it illegal only in the third.

Doesn't the Abortion Ban law only refer to the last trimester (90 day period)?

"It shall be against the law to induce an abortion in the Southeast Region after the 90th day of the pregnancy except in the case of a severe threat to the mother's health."

Basically, abortion is illegal, as it is, after three months - only one trimester.

Yes exactly.  And my bill would also only make it illegal for one trimester, i.e. 90 days.  So I don't see the difference.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but doesn't the bill, even with Svensson's amendment still substitute an apple for an apple?  I don't see the difference between the two laws other than word choice.

Your bill, plus my amendment, would push the abortion ban back another trimester, making it illegal only in the third.

Doesn't the Abortion Ban law only refer to the last trimester (90 day period)?

"It shall be against the law to induce an abortion in the Southeast Region after the 90th day of the pregnancy except in the case of a severe threat to the mother's health."

Basically, abortion is illegal, as it is, after three months - only one trimester.

Yes exactly.  And my bill would also only make it illegal for one trimester, i.e. 90 days.  So I don't see the difference.

     He means that it is currently legal for only one trimester. Passing this bill would legalize second trimester abortions (& in Louisiana & South Carolina, first trimester abortions as well).

[Deldem]

Let the record state I'm in favor of abortion in the first two trimesters.

[Yelnoc]

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but doesn't the bill, even with Svensson's amendment still substitute an apple for an apple?  I don't see the difference between the two laws other than word choice.

Your bill, plus my amendment, would push the abortion ban back another trimester, making it illegal only in the third.

Doesn't the Abortion Ban law only refer to the last trimester (90 day period)?

"It shall be against the law to induce an abortion in the Southeast Region after the 90th day of the pregnancy except in the case of a severe threat to the mother's health."

Basically, abortion is illegal, as it is, after three months - only one trimester.

Yes exactly.  And my bill would also only make it illegal for one trimester, i.e. 90 days.  So I don't see the difference.

     He means that it is currently legal for only one trimester. Passing this bill would legalize second trimester abortions (& in Louisiana & South Carolina, first trimester abortions as well).

Oh, my was misreading the other bill.  My apologies.  Is there anything else that needs to be debated or can we move on to the voting?

[Deldem]

I think we're pretty good, I'm ready to vote.

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Okay, debate is over. We're going to vote first on the amendment, then on the original bill in the same post to save time. Vote in the following form or a form similar-

_______________________________________________________________________

Unborn Child Act (Sections 1-4)

*Aye or Nay*

Unborn Child Act (Section 5(Svennson's amendment))

*Aye or Nay*

[SvenssonRS]

Aye on both measures.

[Yelnoc]

Aye.
Aye.

[Bacon King]

Let me just put this here.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=127706.0

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Well, whether DelDem votes or not, the bill and the supplementary amendment have passed, so voting will close later this afternoon, around 6 CDT.

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I'm going to end the vote now. Its passed either way. Now, we need the Emperor to sign the bill...

The Unborn Child Protection Act has passed.

X Lieutenant Governor KS21

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Since it seems that the Lt. Governor did not attain office through the proper channels, I would like the Imperial Speaker to declare the bill passed. Nothing against you, KS21.

[Yelnoc]

Unborn Child Protection Act

X Imperial Speaker Yelnoc