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« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2013, 06:09:41 AM »

Oh, and obviously this map now needs to be colored in by result.
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« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2013, 07:03:55 AM »

For the 1945 elections, they split all those constituencies that had grown to over half the average size in two, but didn't do anything about the very undersized constituencies. (As it happens, both these groups were somewhat Labour-favorable that year. To a degree we're talking about the cleared slums and the places they had been cleared to.)
Sort of, although in the case of the undersized seats this was massively accelerated by wartime displacement. Postage stamp-size constituencies like Southwark North or Limehouse didn't have their inevitable scrubbing off the map by pre-war slum clearance but by the Luftwaffe.

Of course the 1945 mini-redistribution used the 1939 electorates to decide which seats needed splitting, so to that extent it was pre-war population movement which defined the redistribution. By the way, it was a figure of 190% of the average that was needed to split, not 150%. Detail of the redistribution is here.

I have often wondered why the opportunity wasn't taken to merge some of the very small seats at the same time; I think the upshot was that these places had had their populations massively reduced through bombing and evacuation, and that it wouldn't have been fair to remove Parliamentary representation at that point (particularly as some of the expectation was the population would move back after the war). There may have been Labour self-interest in it in arguing that, too.

Oh, and obviously this map now needs to be colored in by result.
I don't know if Al wants to do these for himself; I am happy to make a start on 1923 (if only to see the mildly amusing Liberal gain of a shed load of English seats that had been safe Tory since 1885).
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« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2013, 08:17:40 AM »

Sort of, although in the case of the undersized seats this was massively accelerated by wartime displacement. Postage stamp-size constituencies like Southwark North or Limehouse didn't have their inevitable scrubbing off the map by pre-war slum clearance but by the Luftwaffe.
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I actually misspoke... but still would have been wrong, strictly speaking. I meant "twice", ie 200%, when I wrote "half".
No idea how that happened.
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« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2013, 04:21:09 PM »
« Edited: January 08, 2013, 04:23:25 PM by stepney »

I suppose maps of electorate change in London 1918-45 aren’t off topic. My interest was piqued by the discussion above about slum clearance v. wartime displacement.



Electorate growth, 1918 election to 1935 election

Not clear what’s going on here. Every electorate in London grew in this period. Partly this was a function of granting the vote to under-30 women in 1928. The electorate in England grew by 59.9% in the same period.

The growth in London did not keep pace with this, particularly inner south London. In fact apart from Chelsea, Hackney, Hampstead, Kensington and Lewisham, the growth in none of London kept pace with the English average. Middlesex and west Essex clearly did and then some.

The lowest growth in this period was Kennington (16.8%), the highest Romford (353.2%).

NB. This is the growth in electorate, not population. The City would have obviously been massively skewed by the business vote, some of the surrounding seats a little too.



Electorate growth, 1935 election to 1945 election

A little more clear what happened here, isn’t it? The electorate in England grew by 5.6% in these ten years.

There were boundary changes in Essex, Kent, Middlesex and Surrey in 1945. Some were very minor (e.g. in Croydon, Finchley) so I’ve treated them as unchanged. Epping and Ilford were simply split directly in two, so comparison was easy. Romford was split in four (with some minor adjustments), so ditto. Middlesex was more complicated, so I’ve compared like with like. Bromley, Dartford and Mitcham were too complicated to compare.

The heaviest fall was in the City (73.3%) followed by Silvertown (62.9%). The highest growth was in Enfield (44.8%)
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« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2013, 04:24:24 PM »

They are very much the opposite of off topic!

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Anyways;

It should be possible to make the changes for '45 without much bother: which is excellent news.

I'll be doing maps of all the elections in this period (maybe with some informative text or other pretty stuff; dunno), but quite randomly and to no particular timescale, so absolutely no objections to anyone doing stuff in the meantime. After all, the point of the map is for it to be used, so feel free to do so. I can also upload a properly blank one (without county colouring) if that's easier to work from.
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« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2013, 04:40:51 PM »

The colouring helps, especially with that Gloucestershire border... Smiley
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« Reply #106 on: January 08, 2013, 05:51:31 PM »

The colouring helps, especially with that Gloucestershire border... Smiley
One of my three - massively churlish - criticisms would be that that border is actually too simplified: most of the Worcestershire exclaves have been excised. (The other two are that Lincolnshire and Rutland were three parliamentary counties, not one, and that Epsom seems to have been shown as two seats).
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« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2013, 06:25:33 PM »

Epsom is an error, yeah (caused by a confusing source map; an unusually thick link for a local government boundary). I'll correct it on future maps based on the map, but probably not on the map itself. I think wrt Worcestershire I gave up. There are limits. Grin
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« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2013, 06:52:11 PM »

Epsom is an error, yeah (caused by a confusing source map; an unusually thick link for a local government boundary). I'll correct it on future maps based on the map, but probably not on the map itself. I think wrt Worcestershire I gave up. There are limits. Grin
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« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2013, 04:56:34 PM »
« Edited: January 11, 2013, 07:03:51 PM by stepney »

This will probably get wiped off PostImage as soon as I put it up, but here's 1923:



I only have generic colours for four seats: Harrow (Ind majority 19.8%), Mossley (Ind majority 1.6%), Cardiganshire (Ind L majority 19.2%) and Liverpool Scotland (Irish Nationalist unopposed). Scrymgeour at Dundee has been coloured in using "ILP, etc" colours. Some fudging has been done for two-member seats.

Apologies for not adding back the universities, and in advance for any errors.

Also apologies to Al for doctoring his map to include a larger London, and for spotting an extra error in the map: the Eccles and Stretford seats had been merged.
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« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2013, 05:54:43 PM »

Nice. That was a seriously bizarre election, even for the period.

Anyways, it's not a bad thing to spot errors!
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« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2013, 06:17:38 PM »

Ah Edwin Scrymgeour. My father owns some personal effects of the family. Long story. The liquor trade loved him and many in Dundee voted for him, because he essentially 'out spoke' the temperance movement, which some people had sympathy for, and pushed for prohibition whch was of course a step too far. He was of course seen as more 'socialist' than the Dundee contingent of the I.L.P, which piqued interest in him. He also went down with their ship come 1931.
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« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2013, 06:30:24 PM »

A lot of deeply weird candidates were successful during this period, but he was probably one of the funnier ones.

Something that probably needs pointing out on that map is Holland with Boston; the Labour candidate (and MP!) in 1918, 1922 and 1923 was William Royce, a most unlikely Labour MP* who had actually been the Tory candidate in the predecessor constituency in 1910. He died in 1924, Labour lost the by-election (one of Hugh Dalton's many pre-Bishop Auckland contests) and never got the seat back. Ten point Tory margin in 1945.

*Before heading home and entering politics he was a railway construction magnate in South Africa!
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« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2013, 06:36:27 PM »

Anyways, I've been working on the changes for '45. About halfway through, or so, in terms of material. Who knows in terms of time.
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« Reply #114 on: January 11, 2013, 06:52:29 PM »

Fascinating map! What explains the Liberal support in Devon, Somerset, Wiltshire and those parts of Lancashire and the West Riding? Not knowing anything about the time period or elections/politics back then, I'm also surprised to see Birmingham so solidly Tory.
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« Reply #115 on: January 11, 2013, 08:02:51 PM »

Fascinating map! What explains the Liberal support in Devon, Somerset, Wiltshire and those parts of Lancashire and the West Riding?

By this point mostly Tradition (one heading for an almighty crash in 1924, obviously), with the roots of that mostly being sectarian. The West Country, the West Riding and East Lancs all had strong Nonconformist traditions; this was also true of some other 'surprising' areas of Liberal strength, like Lindsey, Bedfordshire and Hull. Note that most of the really, really strong Tory rural areas were Anglican strongholds.

Though '23 was weird; the Liberals won some rural constituencies (like the new Shrewsbury seat) that were certainly not traditionally Liberal.

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Birmingham during this period was still dominated by the political machine associated with Joseph Chamberlain; note that in the city the Tories always ran as Unionists during this period. This machine dominated political life in Birmingham from the middle of the 19th century until the city's strange democratic revolution in 1945.
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« Reply #116 on: January 12, 2013, 06:05:46 AM »

This will probably get wiped off PostImage as soon as I put it up, but here's 1923
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Apologies!? Wtf is wrong with you, man? That map needed a London inset!
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« Reply #117 on: January 12, 2013, 01:01:34 PM »

Absolutely, yes. I'm toying with (maybe) doing some for Glasgow, Brum, Liverpool and Manchester as well. Toying.
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« Reply #118 on: January 12, 2013, 02:01:52 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2013, 05:24:26 PM by stepney »



Inadvertently edited, damn it. I did have some wittering on here, along the lines of:

a) Jos Wedgwood at Newcastle is down in Labour colours even though he was unendorsed. All the other unendorsed Independent Labour winners are in "ILP etc" colours.
b) The "National" and "National Independent" (Hopkinson at Mossley) winners are down in Simonite sea-green, not Tory blue.
c) I think there was something else I can't now remember. It's late.
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« Reply #119 on: January 12, 2013, 02:07:02 PM »

If you post the link, doesn't the link still tend to work?
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« Reply #120 on: January 12, 2013, 02:09:50 PM »

If you post the link, doesn't the link still tend to work?
"Tend to". Not always. Here it is.
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« Reply #121 on: January 12, 2013, 02:18:32 PM »

Absolutely, yes. I'm toying with (maybe) doing some for Glasgow, Brum, Liverpool and Manchester as well. Toying.
Out of interest, where do you get the boundaries for the Scottish divided burghs from? Also, any plans to add Northern Ireland to this map?
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« Reply #122 on: January 12, 2013, 05:19:49 PM »



Bradford and Leeds, 1918-1945.
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« Reply #123 on: January 12, 2013, 06:53:30 PM »

Idea: do shrunken versions of the big maps, post them here. And also add links to the full size thing.

Regarding the burghs, they can be found here if you poke around.
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« Reply #124 on: February 07, 2013, 07:25:31 AM »



Bucks. Bigger map in the gallery.
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