1980 Jimmy Carter/ Walter Mondale vs. Howard Baker/ Margaret Heckler

[redcommander]

How would a Reagan less ticket for 1980 turn out? John Anderson also still runs.

[Bo]

Baker wins in a landslide.

Baker/Heckler--434 EV
Carter/Modale--104 EV

[redcommander]

Baker wins in a landslide.

Baker/Heckler--434 EV
Carter/Modale--104 EV

Why wouldn't Heckler help Baker win Massachusetts if Reagan won it with Bush though?

[Bo]

Baker wins in a landslide.

Baker/Heckler--434 EV
Carter/Modale--104 EV

Why wouldn't Heckler help Baker win Massachusetts if Reagan won it with Bush though?

I figured due to the butterfly effect. You got to keep in mind that Reagan won MA by 0.15%--it could easily flip. This map was probably a best case scenario for Carter--NY & MA could easily switch.

[redcommander]

I think the map pretty much would be similar, only Baker would do a little better than Reagan in the South, and win Hawaii. I really wish he had been the nominee instead of Reagan. He would have been such a better president.

[Bo]

I really wish he had been the nominee instead of Reagan. He would have been such a better president.

I'm just curious, what makes you think Baker would have been a better Prez than Reagan? Didn't he also support Trickle-Down Economics?

[redcommander]

I really wish he had been the nominee instead of Reagan. He would have been such a better president.

I'm just curious, what makes you think Baker would have been a better Prez than Reagan? Didn't he also support Trickle-Down Economics?

Well I just don't like Reagan, and while in theory trickle-down economics wasn't a horrible idea, he neglected to cut federal spending at equal levels to the tax cuts he emplaced. Baker would have listened and brought in Democrat legislative voices into policy making more often and effectively then Reagan, and would have been more responsible in economics. Foreign policy wise the two probably would have pursued similar courses.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

[petedewolfe]

[Bo]

Explain, please?

Your map is way too friendly to Carter in my opinion. Baker was just as charismatic and more competent than Reagan. Why would he do that much worse against Carter?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Explain, please?

Your map is way too friendly to Carter in my opinion. Baker was just as charismatic and more competent than Reagan. Why would he do that much worse against Carter?

Baker was not as charismatic as Reagan nor did he have the idealistic appeal.

[Bo]

Explain, please?

Your map is way too friendly to Carter in my opinion. Baker was just as charismatic and more competent than Reagan. Why would he do that much worse against Carter?

Baker was not as charismatic as Reagan nor did he have the idealistic appeal.

OK, well maybe you're right. Still, I think your map is an absolute best case scenario for Carter. I still think Baker would win IL, MI, and WI. I think most voters cared more about the high unemployment and inflation rates than about someone's cahrisma or lack of it.