Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama vs. Rudy Giuliani/John Thune 2008

[Bo]

Everything else stays the same.

Clinton/Obama-434 EV
Giuliani/Thune-104 EV

[Bo]

299-239

Please explain. And yes, I was talking about 2008, which shouldn't have been too hard to figure out.

[Bo]

299-239

Please explain. And yes, I was talking about 2008, which shouldn't have been too hard to figure out.

Giuliani holds onto the suburbs with his moderate social positions and law-and-order stances. Thune keeps the evangelical vote in the South and doesn't embarrass the ticket ala Sarah Palin.

Hack map nonetheless. Hillary would easily defeat Giuliani by tying him to the unpopular President Bush, while emphasizing that she will give the country the prosperity and international prestige that her husband delivered in the 1990s. Also, Giuliani loses many base voters since they are uncomfortable with his social liberalism (and Thune doesn't help too much since most people vote for the top of the ticket, not the bottom). Meanwhile, the prospect of electing a woman President and a black VP energizes many Democratic base voters, and Bush's unpopularity delivers many moderate and even some conservative voters to Hillary.

[Bo]

299-239

Please explain. And yes, I was talking about 2008, which shouldn't have been too hard to figure out.

Giuliani holds onto the suburbs with his moderate social positions and law-and-order stances. Thune keeps the evangelical vote in the South and doesn't embarrass the ticket ala Sarah Palin.

Hack map nonetheless. Hillary would easily defeat Giuliani by tying him to the unpopular President Bush, while emphasizing that she will give the country the prosperity and international prestige that her husband delivered in the 1990s. Also, Giuliani loses many base voters since they are uncomfortable with his social liberalism (and Thune doesn't help too much since most people vote for the top of the ticket, not the bottom). Meanwhile, the prospect of electing a woman President and a black VP energizes many Democratic base voters, and Bush's unpopularity delivers many moderate and even some conservative voters to Hillary.

Even with Obama on the bottom of the ticket, Hillary's stealing of the nomination will already depress the black vote and demoralize the "progressive" base.

I never said she stole the nomination in this scenario--I just said she was nominated.

[Bo]

Give Hillary MT, MO, IN, VA, NC, GA, AZ, and FL and I would agree with you.