Your honest opinion

[k-onmmunist]

I have no issue with welfare benefits for those who are seriously disabled.

[opebo]

I have no issue with welfare benefits for those who are seriously disabled.

That's slavery for the rich who have to pay for that, winny.

[k-onmmunist]

I have no issue with welfare benefits for those who are seriously disabled.

That's slavery for the rich who have to pay for that, winny.

I have no issue with a surtax on the rich to pay for welfare for people who genuinely need help. It is those who can work and choose not to who piss me off.

[opebo]

I have no issue with welfare benefits for those who are seriously disabled.

That's slavery for the rich who have to pay for that, winny.

I have no issue with a surtax on the rich to pay for welfare for people who genuinely need help. It is those who can work and choose not to who piss me off.

What about those who cannot work because there are no jobs?

And for that matter, what about the rich, who choose not to work?

Your whole system is based on the most basic misunderstandings of what is society and our place in it.

[k-onmmunist]

I have no issue with welfare benefits for those who are seriously disabled.

That's slavery for the rich who have to pay for that, winny.

I have no issue with a surtax on the rich to pay for welfare for people who genuinely need help. It is those who can work and choose not to who piss me off.

What about those who cannot work because there are no jobs?

And for that matter, what about the rich, who choose not to work?

Your whole system is based on the most basic misunderstandings of what is society and our place in it.

What about the rich who choose not to work? I don't really care.

And people can always get jobs if they look hard enough.

[opebo]

What about the rich who choose not to work? I don't really care.[/url]

Why not?  Surely you realize your dichotomy is false there?

And people can always get jobs if they look hard enough.

Really?  So if there are 10,000,000 people looking for jobs and there are only 500,000 jobs, they can all get jobs? 

[k-onmmunist]

That isn't the situation, and it never has been.

[fezzyfestoon]

I totally understand your troubles, but one thing I'd like to point out first is that no one has mentioned family yet.  Why is it that we leave our elderly family alone to fend for themselves?  Government and charity is not the only way to care for our loved ones.  Not calling you out, just pointing out a general attitude.  But anyway, personal experiences definitely make politics more difficult.  I try to challenge my positions with imagining personal experiences and this one's particularly hard to think about as it's very personal for me too.  The truth is I don't really know how to approach these kinds of situations.

[JSojourner]

I have no issue with welfare benefits for those who are seriously disabled.

That's slavery for the rich who have to pay for that, winny.

I have no issue with a surtax on the rich to pay for welfare for people who genuinely need help. It is those who can work and choose not to who piss me off.

What about those who cannot work because there are no jobs?

And for that matter, what about the rich, who choose not to work?

Your whole system is based on the most basic misunderstandings of what is society and our place in it.

And people can always get jobs if they look hard enough.

All due respect to Dis, who I have come to like a great deal...this statement of his is precisely what is wrong with the Republican party and many Libertarians.  Was it CJ, Coburn or Blubber who was running around saying the "coons should just work six different fast food jobs" if they want health care. (as though the only poor welfare recipients are African-American to begin with!)

Some people really believe...

A.  Jobs are available for everyone.  Plentiful, even.
B.  If they just work enough jobs, they will be paid amply and will be able to afford all the necessities of life without any "handouts".

Math is an annoying thing.  Do it sometime, folks.  Even if it were possible for someone to work 120 hours a week at multiple low-paying jobs, affording adequate medical and dental  care...shelter...utilities...food...transportation...clothing and, in many cases, child care...would be highly unlikely. Beyond that, if you want them to improve themselves, then you should factor in the costs of continuing education, preventative health care and upkeep on any property or vehicles this individual or family might own.

When are conservatives going to realize that "root, hog or die" is not only immoral...it's pure FAIL.

[Conservative frontier]

From a Moral prespective, God would want us to fund the disabled.

From a economic prespective, conservatives would say private donations would help the disabled more, then government funding.

I'm somewhere in between.