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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2009, 05:07:12 PM »

A great choice for counsel, of course Wink

Please take your time and get back to the questions when you're ready.
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2009, 06:00:46 PM »

(Warning: The defendant knows nothing about Judicial Courtesy)

I plead non guilty, and would request a trial by jury.
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2009, 06:05:11 PM »

We are entering a plea of not guilty on Constitutional grounds and are prepared to take the matter up on appeal in the event of a conviction.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2009, 06:17:37 PM »

I don't see how it could be voter fraud. My real account, Giovanni was unable to work for me, so It's not like I could vote twice or something. Do I agree that I deserve some sort of punishment? Yes. But not voter fraud.

Voter fraud, in Atlasia, is defined as entering an account other than one's primary identity into the voter roll. Actually voting is not required to be guilty of voter fraud.

Correct. However, since he did not and does not have access to that account, it is difficult to see how it could be considered his primary identity.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2009, 06:22:45 PM »

I don't see how it could be voter fraud. My real account, Giovanni was unable to work for me, so It's not like I could vote twice or something. Do I agree that I deserve some sort of punishment? Yes. But not voter fraud.

Voter fraud, in Atlasia, is defined as entering an account other than one's primary identity into the voter roll. Actually voting is not required to be guilty of voter fraud.

Correct. However, since he did not and does not have access to that account, it is difficult to see how it could be considered his primary identity.

Shhhhh....don't use my defense before I have the chance to present it Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2009, 06:35:13 PM »

I suppose I should select a jury then. Giovanni is a Mideast citizen, correct? I'll get on that.
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2009, 06:55:58 PM »

Alright, here are six members I've randomly selected to be the jury in accordance with the Mideastern jury selection law. I'll be PMing them momentarily.

Afleitch, Badger, Frodo, Officepark, Peter, Tmthforu94
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2009, 07:09:13 PM »

I will confirm that I am willing to serve

I, Afleitch affirm that I will well and truly try the matter in issue between the parties, and give a true verdict according to the law and evidence, so help me Dave.
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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2009, 07:09:59 PM »

Alright, here are six members I've randomly selected to be the jury in accordance with the Mideastern jury selection law. I'll be PMing them momentarily.

Afleitch, Badger, Frodo, Officepark, Peter, Tmthforu94

The PMs have been sent. Further, it should be noted that I have decided that it shall take at least a simple majority, 4 votes from the jury, to convict.

And now we wait for the Jurors to swear in.

I will confirm that I am willing to serve

I, Afleitch affirm that I will well and truly try the matter in issue between the parties, and give a true verdict according to the law and evidence, so help me Dave.

My you were fast. Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2009, 07:22:16 PM »


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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2009, 07:34:28 PM »

Alright, here are six members I've randomly selected to be the jury in accordance with the Mideastern jury selection law. I'll be PMing them momentarily.

Afleitch, Badger, Frodo, Officepark, Peter, Tmthforu94

Well, this is the first time that I am on a jury in Atlasia.



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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2009, 10:00:26 PM »

(Just my two cents)

This case is very much like my case, but he was locked out of his account, and I wasn't. But he did not tell anyone who he was when if first joined again, like me. But my old account in Atlasia was unuse and my new account devilman88 was my main account. But I was found guilty. I hope Giovanni isn't, but the law is the law.
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2009, 12:25:16 AM »

New AJ gets the bitch work, eh? Wink

Looking forward to your first case, albeit you will only be deciding sentencing I believe.
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2009, 03:24:40 AM »

This case is very much like my case, but he was locked out of his account, and I wasn't. But he did not tell anyone who he was when if first joined again, like me. But my old account in Atlasia was unuse and my new account devilman88 was my main account. But I was found guilty. I hope Giovanni isn't, but the law is the law.

I originally felt the same way, but I have discovered meaningful differences between this case and yours.

We'll see how the court feels.
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« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2009, 05:24:51 AM »

I don't see how it could be voter fraud. My real account, Giovanni was unable to work for me, so It's not like I could vote twice or something. Do I agree that I deserve some sort of punishment? Yes. But not voter fraud.

Voter fraud, in Atlasia, is defined as entering an account other than one's primary identity into the voter roll. Actually voting is not required to be guilty of voter fraud.

Has anyone ever tried to appeal this? Because that's a pretty ridiculous definition of voter fraud, especially when it's also impossible to deregister from the voting roll.

love to see this one end up in the courts. I was supposed to challenge it in an appeal when I got convinced for my PM thing, but it became unnecessary for various reasons and I never ended up going there. 
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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2009, 08:36:46 AM »

I will confirm that I am willing to serve on the jury.

I, Tmthforu94 affirm that I will well and truly try the matter in issue between the parties, and give a true verdict according to the law and evidence, so help me Dave.
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2009, 09:31:09 AM »

I am able to serve, but will probably be out of touch 28 December to 2 January. If thats a problem, I am happy to be replaced now.

I, Peter swear that I will well and truly try the matter in issue between the parties, and give a true verdict according to the law and evidence, so help me Dave.
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2009, 06:07:05 PM »

Alright, here are six members I've randomly selected to be the jury in accordance with the Mideastern jury selection law. I'll be PMing them momentarily.

Afleitch, Badger, Frodo, Officepark, Peter, Tmthforu94

Well, this is the first time that I am on a jury in Atlasia.



Ditto.
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2009, 06:28:23 PM »

I only want to inform the court that I will be calling a witness during the trial. Al will testify for my client's case.
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2009, 08:33:41 PM »

I only want to inform the court that I will be calling a witness during the trial. Al will testify for my client's case.

So noted. I also want it known that if Frodo has not sworn in by tomorrow afternoon I'll replace him with another, more active, citizen so we can get started soon.
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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2009, 09:16:15 PM »

Is there anything else for me to do, or am I square?
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« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2009, 09:22:47 PM »

Is there anything else for me to do, or am I square?

Just coordinate with your counsel, once the trial starts. I don't think you'll be directly involved yourself in any way. Speak through Franzl when I ask questions and so forth.
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« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2009, 10:02:43 PM »

Dave was able to fix me back to me old account by the way if it affects things in any way.
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« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2009, 10:08:01 PM »

We should still go ahead, I'm afraid.

I'm hereby dismissing Frodo as a juror on the grounds of inactivity and have selected a replacement: Purple State. I have sent him a PM to report to the courtroom and swear in as soon as he is able, and the trial can begin.
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« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2009, 10:21:30 PM »

Pleased to serve.

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