Biggest influences on you.

[patrick1]

I temporarily attended a Catholic high school and we didn't have any theological requirements.

What would be the point then? 

Not going to public school.

Minorities?

If you are implying that I avoid public schools due to racism or xenophobia, that is incorrect. I am Hispanic. But besides that, the public school in my area was about 80% white anyways. It's really just a better opportunity to get an education, seeing as public schools are mere indoctrination with government propaganda.

I said that half in jest and leading of course. Unfortunately, race is a part of the equation for many parents around here.  My uncle, who is not really religious, has sent my cousins to Catholic school because the public schools are just too violent and white kids are picked on.

I'm derailing the thread.  My influences have been more from writers than anything.  I don't really care for any politicians.  Dostoevsky, Hesse, Hemingway, Bukowski and Celine have colored my thought.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I temporarily attended a Catholic high school and we didn't have any theological requirements.

What would be the point then? 

Not going to public school.

Minorities?

If you are implying that I avoid public schools due to racism or xenophobia, that is incorrect. I am Hispanic. But besides that, the public school in my area was about 80% white anyways. It's really just a better opportunity to get an education, seeing as public schools are mere indoctrination with government propaganda.

Public schools in California are 80% white?

What made you return to public school?

It depends on where you live but there are some high schools in my city that were 20% white and others that were 90% white, varying by neighborhood.

Do those figures include white Hispanics?

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By whom? The state?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

The Chesterbelloc? O.K... now I'm surprised.

A good addition to every papist education;)  I like elements of both.  Oddly enough in my conservative Catholic high school they never had us read either.  Required reading was Man Search for Meaning by Frankel- which I still think is excellent to this day.

Why would a modern "Catholic" high school include real Catholic writers like Chesterton and Belloc?

Coincidentally Frankl was 'required' reading for me too at a "Catholic" high school in NYC. Not that I actually read it.

My high school was quite conservative and by no means modern.  They made the national news by canceling the Prom for being a materialistic bacchanalian.

Being socially "conservative" in the vein of Evangelical Protestants doesn't correlate with Catholic orthodoxy.

[patrick1]

The Chesterbelloc? O.K... now I'm surprised.

A good addition to every papist education;)  I like elements of both.  Oddly enough in my conservative Catholic high school they never had us read either.  Required reading was Man Search for Meaning by Frankel- which I still think is excellent to this day.

Why would a modern "Catholic" high school include real Catholic writers like Chesterton and Belloc?

Coincidentally Frankl was 'required' reading for me too at a "Catholic" high school in NYC. Not that I actually read it.

My high school was quite conservative and by no means modern.  They made the national news by canceling the Prom for being a materialistic bacchanalian.

Being socially "conservative" in the vein of Evangelical Protestants doesn't correlate with Catholic orthodoxy.

It was more of a pre Vatican II type conservatism.  Anti Jesuits if you will I went to a Dominican college and they were quite different as a community but not in theology.
My high school order was the Marianist who run Chaminade, Kellenberg (where I went) and Dayton U.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

The Chesterbelloc? O.K... now I'm surprised.

A good addition to every papist education;)  I like elements of both.  Oddly enough in my conservative Catholic high school they never had us read either.  Required reading was Man Search for Meaning by Frankel- which I still think is excellent to this day.

Why would a modern "Catholic" high school include real Catholic writers like Chesterton and Belloc?

Coincidentally Frankl was 'required' reading for me too at a "Catholic" high school in NYC. Not that I actually read it.

My high school was quite conservative and by no means modern.  They made the national news by canceling the Prom for being a materialistic bacchanalian.

Being socially "conservative" in the vein of Evangelical Protestants doesn't correlate with Catholic orthodoxy.

It was more of a pre Vatican II type conservatism.  Anti Jesuits if you will I went to a Dominican college and they were quite different as a community but not in theology.
My high school order was the Marianist who run Chaminade, Kellenberg (where I went) and Dayton U.

Unless you went to a SSPX school, I doubt that. 'Conservative Catholics' support Vatican II.

Jesuits are only Catholic in a very loose definition of the word....

[patrick1]

Ha, you really dont allow for any rhetorical flair or overstatement do you?  Yes, they accepted Vatican II but were conservative- much more conservative than the diocesan schools for sure. As orders go, their province at least was on the right of the spectrum. There were some brilliant  priests and brothers but also some who were hiding out, imo.

My educational influences are decidedly the "Western Canon".  Any Eastern influences are from independent reading.

[Sewer]

Rev. Charles Coughlin

When we get through with the Jews in America, they'll think the treatment they received in Germany was nothing.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Ha, you really dont allow for any rhetorical flair or overstatement do you?  Yes, they accepted Vatican II but were conservative- much more conservative than the diocesan schools for sure. As orders go, their province at least was on the right of the spectrum. There were some brilliant  priests and brothers but also some who were hiding out, imo.

My educational influences are decidedly the "Western Canon".  Any Eastern influences are from independent reading.

Rhetorical flair? What part?

I've been at Jesuit institutions for the past five years, so I can't really comment on other orders. But conservatives do tend to love Vatican II.

[patrick1]

Ha, you really dont allow for any rhetorical flair or overstatement do you?  Yes, they accepted Vatican II but were conservative- much more conservative than the diocesan schools for sure. As orders go, their province at least was on the right of the spectrum. There were some brilliant  priests and brothers but also some who were hiding out, imo.

My educational influences are decidedly the "Western Canon".  Any Eastern influences are from independent reading.

Rhetorical flair? What part?

I've been at Jesuit institutions for the past five years, so I can't really comment on other orders. But conservatives do tend to love Vatican II.

You mentioned Evangelical conservatism- which was not a basis for their thought.  It was more based on traditional Catholic teachings prior to and continuing to this day. My mention of Pre- Vatican II was meant as a rhetorical device to make that point.  Although, I suspect that some preferred the "Latin" mass.  The Institutional rivalry and tiffs among the orders is quite funny. My mentor was pleased with the Dominican order-  cant go wrong with the Summa.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Let's see.. influences.. I'm not sure I have a ton of influences, but there are many figures past and present that I admire. I'm sure I'm forgetting loads of people here though.

Political influences:

James Weaver
Tommy Douglas
Theodore Roosevelt
Clement Attlee
Thomas Jefferson
Eugene Debs
John Q. Adams
Eleanor Roosevelt

And I suppose Ron Paul in very limited and specific ways.

Misc. modern influences:

Paul Krugman
Arianna Huffington
Richard Dawkins
Bernie Sanders

Philosophical/economic influences:

Bertrand Russell
George Carlin
John Maynard Keynes
Karl Marx

Last but most definitely not least: FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Ha, you really dont allow for any rhetorical flair or overstatement do you?  Yes, they accepted Vatican II but were conservative- much more conservative than the diocesan schools for sure. As orders go, their province at least was on the right of the spectrum. There were some brilliant  priests and brothers but also some who were hiding out, imo.

My educational influences are decidedly the "Western Canon".  Any Eastern influences are from independent reading.

Rhetorical flair? What part?

I've been at Jesuit institutions for the past five years, so I can't really comment on other orders. But conservatives do tend to love Vatican II.

You mentioned Evangelical conservatism- which was not a basis for their thought.  It was more based on traditional Catholic teachings prior to and continuing to this day. My mention of Pre- Vatican II was meant as a rhetorical device to make that point.  Although, I suspect that some preferred the "Latin" mass. 

As a traditionalist Catholic, I've experienced quite well the way "conservative" Catholics worship Vatican II and John Paul II, while "liberal" Catholics oppose them for the opposite reasons that I do.

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It's politics as usual....

[patrick1]

Ha, you really dont allow for any rhetorical flair or overstatement do you?  Yes, they accepted Vatican II but were conservative- much more conservative than the diocesan schools for sure. As orders go, their province at least was on the right of the spectrum. There were some brilliant  priests and brothers but also some who were hiding out, imo.

My educational influences are decidedly the "Western Canon".  Any Eastern influences are from independent reading.

Rhetorical flair? What part?

I've been at Jesuit institutions for the past five years, so I can't really comment on other orders. But conservatives do tend to love Vatican II.

You mentioned Evangelical conservatism- which was not a basis for their thought.  It was more based on traditional Catholic teachings prior to and continuing to this day. My mention of Pre- Vatican II was meant as a rhetorical device to make that point.  Although, I suspect that some preferred the "Latin" mass. 

As a traditionalist Catholic, I've experienced quite well the way "conservative" Catholics worship Vatican II and John Paul II, while "liberal" Catholics oppose them for the opposite reasons that I do.

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It's politics as usual....

Well. we will have to have a Vatican II thread sometime.  Soult will never get sleep.  Admittedly, I am by education and history only a cultural Catholic at this point and probably always have been.  I am not really an active communicant.   At root I agree with most teachings but am too lazy, selfish and nihilistic too go on Sunday. 

[Mint]

John Lennon
Bob Dylan
Don Van Vliet
Bill Hicks
Albert Camus
David Lynch
Bill Griffith
Alan Moore
Karl Marx

No Grant Morrison?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Machiavelli
John Locke
Adam Smith
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams
John Marshall
William Jennings Bryan
Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Lyndon Johnson
Mark Warner
Judaism

[Хahar 🤔]

George W. Bush
Dick Cheney
Karl Rove

[phk]

Economists
Murray Rothbard
John Von Neuman
Ludwig Von Mises
Hal White
Hal Varian
Harry Markowitz
Tyler Cowen

Physcists
Stephen Hawking
Michio Kaku
Carl Sagan
John Von Neumann
Albert Einstein
Robert Oppenheimer

Biologists
Guy Murchie
Charles Darwin

Mathematicians
John Von Neumann
John Conway

Computer Scientists
John Von Neumann
Vinton Cerf

Businesspeople
Bill Gates
Warren Buffet
Michael Dell
Larry Ellison

Politicians
Larry Summers
Junichiro Koizumi
Yasuhiro Nakasone
Paul Wolfowitz

Publications
Wired
The Economist
New Left Review

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A potentially interesting thread from before the deluge. Bump.

[Vepres]

Political Figures
Joe Scarborough
Newt Gingrich
Ron Paul (though I don't much like him now, I did at one time, and I still like many of his positions)
Ross Perot (looking back, obviously I wasn't in to politics at the time )
George Will
Benjamin Franklin

Business Leaders
Henry Ford
Jim Sinegal (CEO of Costco)

Scientists
Charles Darwin

Philosophers
The Buddha
Socrates

Books
1984 by George Orwell (bigbigbig influence)
Lord of the Flies by William Golding

Comedians
John Stewart
Lewis Black

Misc.
Various people I know personally who are poor (basically all of them had self-destructive attitudes towards life, save the disabled ones)

[Ban my account ffs!]

I'm sure I have influences from all over.. but I can't name any in particular.  Perhaps Paul Wellstone and Arne Carlson from recent years.

I'd like to think that I formulate my own ideas on many issues, which are of course borrowed from others' ideas.

[Mint]

Many people but here's a few of the more notable ones:

Alvin Toffler
Andrew J. Bacevich
Daniel Gardner
Gerald Celente
Hernando de Soto Polar
Hugo Adam Bedau
Jeff Kenworthy
Michael Scheuer
Peter Newman
Peter Schiff
Philip Kenneth Salin
Philip Weiss
Richard M. Weaver
Robert E. Hall
Ron Paul
Travis Hirschi

The second one is the author in case anyone is wondering. Anyway, like Xahar a lot of this is less intellectual than a reaction to the political hacks and outright criminals I've grown up under plus friends, family, personal experience, etc. If it seems like I went through a lot of abrupt changes the 2+ years I've been on this forum that's why.

[Bo]

Mine are Niccolo Machiavelli, Adam Smith, John Maynard Keynes, Milton Friedman, Anna Schwartz, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Nixon, Al Gore.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Jesus Christ
Jack Kemp
Konrad Adenauer
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Winston Churchill
Winfield Dunn
Lamar Alexander
Alan Simpson
David Cameron
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
Newt Gingrich
Howard Baker
Christine Todd Whitman
Rick Warren
Dave Ramsey
(and Rush Limbaugh when I was growing up)

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Jesus Christ
Jack Kemp
Konrad Adenauer
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Winston Churchill
Winfield Dunn
Lamar Alexander
Alan Simpson
David Cameron
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
Newt Gingrich
Howard Baker
(and Rush Limbaugh when I was growing up)

Where's Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, Bill Kristol?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Jesus Christ
Jack Kemp
Konrad Adenauer
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Winston Churchill
Winfield Dunn
Lamar Alexander
Alan Simpson
David Cameron
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
Newt Gingrich
Howard Baker
(and Rush Limbaugh when I was growing up)

Where's Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, Bill Kristol?

Meh, I'm conflicted on Cheney.
Honestly don't know who Feith and Abrams are.  Love Bill Kristol though

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Jesus Christ
Jack Kemp
Konrad Adenauer
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Winston Churchill
Winfield Dunn
Lamar Alexander
Alan Simpson
David Cameron
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
Newt Gingrich
Howard Baker
(and Rush Limbaugh when I was growing up)

Where's Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, Bill Kristol?

Meh, I'm conflicted on Cheney.
Honestly don't know who Feith and Abrams are.  Love Bill Kristol though