Opinion of Poland

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Pity about (the residual, never mind the historic) Anti-semitism.

A pretty common 'disease' in that part of the world, sadly. And at least active participation in the Holocaust was confined to a surprisingly small handful of atrocities... unlike the Ukraine or the Baltics... or...

Yes; this seems to be a favourite topic of yours....

I'm not sure if favourite is the right word... but... yeah, it is turning into something of a trope. I found out about it (or rather - the extent of it) a few years ago when I was looking up general Holocaust historiographical issues and came across a book on the history of the Lithuanian Jews that had an interesting title. I don't think I've ever read anything that had quite the same sickening effect...

[Antonio the Sixth]

Seems strange that the only Polish of the forum didn't appear in this thread for the moment...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Pity about (the residual, never mind the historic) Anti-semitism.

A pretty common 'disease' in that part of the world, sadly. And at least active participation in the Holocaust was confined to a surprisingly small handful of atrocities... unlike the Ukraine or the Baltics... or...

Yes; this seems to be a favourite topic of yours....

I must say it's also what passed through my mind...

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I know, but he isn't exactly an interventionist either. Eastern Europe is far more free market than the West.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, man, this kind of right-win parties are both authoritarian and interventionist.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

What about the General Government?

Well, I just want to tell, that we were the only occupied country which had not, even totally fringe, colaboration institutions or government.

[minionofmidas]

FC - Love the Polish jokes though. There was no poll option for that, so I picked the closest one.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Tragic nation. Pity about (the residual, never mind the historic) Anti-semitism.

Can't deny this, but I'd like to make 3 points:

1. Poland in earlier history was for a long time a country without presecutions and where Jews have biggest privledges.
2. During Nazi Occupation Poles saved more Jews than in any other countries. Beside, unlike in France for example, Nazis gives you death penalty for harboring Jews.
3. I don't think Anti-Semitism pre WWII was significantly higher in Eastern Europe at large. Rather average.

[afleitch]

I would love to visit...though would probably have to book two seperate rooms if I went with Chris

[Gustaf]

Tragic nation. Pity about (the residual, never mind the historic) Anti-semitism.

Can't deny this, but I'd like to make 3 points:

1. Poland in earlier history was for a long time a country without presecutions and where Jews have biggest privledges.
2. During Nazi Occupation Poles saved more Jews than in any other countries. Beside, unlike in France for example, Nazis gives you death penalty for harboring Jews.
3. I don't think Anti-Semitism pre WWII was significantly higher in Eastern Europe at large. Rather average.

1. Really?
2. If we're talking absolute numbers, yeah, duh. It doesn't prove anything.
3. I think you're wrong...very wrong. There were pogroms going on in Eastern Europe in the 20th century. I know England had their last in the 14th century or something like that. I don't think Sweden ever had one. Just off of the top of my head. If you want to argue that it is because you had more Jews, sure.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

1. Really?

More or less true actually... that's one of the reasons why so many moved there in the first place. We're talking late middle ages or so here. Which isn't to say that there was no antisemitism in Poland or anything like that.

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Thirteenth century - it was actually illegal for Jews to live in England after that point right up until the Revolution.

It also depends what you mean by pogrom. Antisemitic riots weren't exactly rare after the mid nineteenth century, though, yeah, massacres... last ones would be those sanctioned by Edward I.

[Bo]

FC.

[Antonio the Sixth]

FC.

Another fellow frenchie !
Welcome to the forum.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

See, I'm not pleased with many things in Poland, but I realy don't like and think attitute of many posters here is at least unfair. You making it looks like a living hell, without knowing the reality and specific circumstances. I'd like to remind, we didn't have a chances, like France or England, to deal with some problems, because, for example, of over 100 years of partiations.

Gustaf, read a little about Jewish situation in Tsarist Russia. By the way, a large part of Poland was under this rule.

Not denying antisemitism, just be objective more, please.

[Hash]

Another fellow frenchie !

I doubt he is.

He also seems like a useless post-padder, so I doubt he's a worthwhile addition.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Another fellow frenchie !

I doubt he is.

He also seems like a useless post-padder, so I doubt he's a worthwhile addition.

lol, when Hashemite says welcome.

Personally I don't see yet a reason of why he wouldn't be.

Though yes, I must say that with 124 posts in a night, someone took a dose yesterday.

[Bo]

FC.

Another fellow frenchie !
Welcome to the forum.

Thank you very much.

[Bo]

Another fellow frenchie !

I doubt he is.

He also seems like a useless post-padder, so I doubt he's a worthwhile addition.

lol, when Hashemite says welcome.

Personally I don't see yet a reason of why he wouldn't be.

Though yes, I must say that with 124 posts in a night, someone took a dose yesterday.

Thank you very much for making me feel welcome. As for my 124 posts last night, I just have a lot of spare time at the moment and I feel this is an appopriate way to spend it. I feel that I am being very productive in my discussions, though.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Another fellow frenchie !

I doubt he is.

He also seems like a useless post-padder, so I doubt he's a worthwhile addition.

lol, when Hashemite says welcome.

Personally I don't see yet a reason of why he wouldn't be.

Though yes, I must say that with 124 posts in a night, someone took a dose yesterday.

Thank you very much for making me feel welcome. As for my 124 posts last night, I just have a lot of spare time at the moment and I feel this is an appopriate way to spend it. I feel that I am being very productive in my discussions, though.

Well, welcome, may you enjoy.

But Hashemite was kinda right too, yesterday you privileged a lot more the quantity than the quality.

[Hash]

Another fellow frenchie !

I doubt he is.

He also seems like a useless post-padder, so I doubt he's a worthwhile addition.

lol, when Hashemite says welcome.

Personally I don't see yet a reason of why he wouldn't be.

Though yes, I must say that with 124 posts in a night, someone took a dose yesterday.

Thank you very much for making me feel welcome. As for my 124 posts last night, I just have a lot of spare time at the moment and I feel this is an appopriate way to spend it. I feel that I am being very productive in my discussions, though.

Posting 'FF' and 'HP' is not being productive.

[k-onmmunist]

Nah, Britain is more racist than Poland is.

[Psychic Octopus]

FC and the latter part of Option 3.

[Gustaf]

See, I'm not pleased with many things in Poland, but I realy don't like and think attitute of many posters here is at least unfair. You making it looks like a living hell, without knowing the reality and specific circumstances. I'd like to remind, we didn't have a chances, like France or England, to deal with some problems, because, for example, of over 100 years of partiations.

Gustaf, read a little about Jewish situation in Tsarist Russia. By the way, a large part of Poland was under this rule.

Not denying antisemitism, just be objective more, please.

First off, I never liked the attitude of someone who tells others to read up on things. If you want to state a disagreement with me, just do it. There is no need to make petty insiniuations.

I'm not even sure what your point is. Reading the paragraph the most obvious interpretation is that you are claiming that Poland should not be blamed for persecution of Jews before WWII since they were under Russian rule and the Russians were anti-semitic (if so, things I am aware of). Given, however, that pretty much all of Eastern Europe was under Russian rule and we were discussing whether there was anti-semitism in Eastern Europe I fail to see how that disproves what I said in any way.

[Bo]

Poland really has some nice architecture and scenery. I hope to visit someday.