Opinion of Poland

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Discuss.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an horrible country politically speaking....

[k-onmmunist]

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

See, Kasczinski isn't exactly a libertarian.

[k-onmmunist]

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

See, Kasczinski isn't exactly a libertarian.

I know, but he isn't exactly an interventionist either. Eastern Europe is far more free market than the West.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

A country that seems to have known what the word trauma is.

The eastern populations, and the one of Poland first, puzzles me and I'd like to meet them closely. As well as the city of Warsaw, this mix of Soviet architecture (and especially that big squared building with a big arrow on it) and of 'identically made' rebuilding. The city of Cracow too, would it be just because of its French name Cracovie, and to compare with Warsaw. Also attracted by there to see how the 'Western' modernity took place there within a few years, what sort of mix it can give.

Other than that it seems there is still this heavy Catholic feeling that seems to be able to seriously plumb the ambiance there sometimes.

And still other than that, would be glad to see how the Polish beaches are about.

[You kip if you want to...]

Horrible politically. Freedom fighter in regards to most other things.

[Hash]

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

See, Kasczinski isn't exactly a libertarian.

I know, but he isn't exactly an interventionist either. Eastern Europe is far more free market than the West.

If you want liberalism in Poland, look to the Prime Minister, not the President.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Was a big time Freedom Country in WWII, but a HC today.

[k-onmmunist]

Was a big time Freedom Country in WWII, but a HC today.

Despite the fact that in 1939 it was an authoritarian nationalist anti-Semitic state?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

1-Polan put up a much better fight than any other attacked country, especially considering their 19th century military on paper didn't stand a chance. It took the Germans over a month to finish the invasion of a country where it was expected to take 3 days.
2-Poland was the only occupied country that didn't set up a collaborationist regime with the Nazis, because they couldn't find enough people willing to take part in one.
3-Even post-occupation Poland had the largest troop contribution to the Allies, after the Soviet Union, UK and US. Yes, more than the Free French.

[k-onmmunist]

What about the General Government?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That wasn't a collaborationist regime, it was completely managed by the German military. Poland had no equivalent of the Vichy, Ustase or Jozef Tiso.

[Хahar 🤔]

The real losers of WWII.

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

Go away. Leave. Come back when you start learning about real life instead of Rand.

[k-onmmunist]

The real losers of WWII.

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

Go away. Leave. Come back when you start learning about real life instead of Rand.

How about you, you worthless piece of statist shit? Screw you.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I like Poland - think I picked that up off my Grandad (who in the War, after he got out of military prison, taught English to Polish airmen). Politically it's an ever-changing mess, but that's true of most of the old East (including the former DDR) and I won't hold that against them. Also, Polish grocers here are quite good. I can recommend the one in Hereford - amusingly it was actually there long before the recent immigration (which shows up in where it is; near the Cathedral, rather than south of the Wye where most of the Poles live. Yeah, that's always been the poorest, most working class part of the city. Some immigration-related patterns never change).

Edit: the political attitudes of the recent immigrants and the (much smaller) postwar wave are waaaaaaay different. Most of the former seem to be quite liberal or leftish, but the latter are very conservative.

[Хahar 🤔]

I seem to recall something about Polish plumbers. It may have been in some xenophobic campaign or somthing. Can someone remind me?

[Vepres]

HC, it looks like some poorly drawn organ and they use Z in weird places

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I seem to recall something about Polish plumbers. It may have been in some xenophobic campaign or somthing. Can someone remind me?

There is (or was) a chronic shortage of plumbers in a lot of Western-and-Northern European countries*. A lot of Polish immigrants to the West were/are highly skilled and included a decent number of plumbers. The rest is easy to work out...

(one other stereotype, here anyway, is Poles as fruit-pickers).

*To the extent that most had (maybe still have, I don't know) a middle class income.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

Ah yes there's just something lovely about a country that's over all socialist when it comes to econimic politics, and has Europe's most conservative social politics.

I can see why a country, where banning teletubbies because it is presumed to advocate gay rights cause a male character wears a purse in it, is considered a serious political question appeals to a true Libretairian as yourself.


Seriously speaking though, Poland sucks as far as its politics is concerned (except on the potential banning of teletubbies, I could get behind that. Not because of the purse thing but because it will rot the poor kid's brain) but besides that it seems like a very nice country. Polish people especially always seem like a great people, at least all the Poles I've met has been lovely people. 

(Also what's with this bloody myth that gay people wear purses. I hate purses! Yet I love men.)

[k-onmmunist]

Well, sorry Kalwejt, but it seems like an awesome country politically speaking....

Ah yes there's just something lovely about a country that's over all socialist when it comes to econimic politics, and has Europe's most conservative social politics.

I can see why a country, where banning teletubbies because it is presumed to advocate gay rights cause a male character wears a purse in it, is considered a serious political question appeals to a true Libretairian as yourself.


Seriously speaking though, Poland sucks as far as its politics is concerned (except on the potential banning of teletubbies, I could get behind that. Not because of the purse thing but because it will rot the poor kid's brain) but besides that it seems like a very nice country. Polish people especially always seem like a great people, at least all the Poles I've met has been lovely people. 

(Also what's with this bloody myth that gay people wear purses. I hate purses! Yet I love men.)

Really? In that case, I take back what I said.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Tragic nation. Pity about (the residual, never mind the historic) Anti-semitism.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

More precisely about Polish plumbers, I guess what happened in my country is not for nothing about that.

Back in 2005, the French referendum on the 1st constitutional treaty. Campaign. A big argument of the rightists who were for the 'no', was that this constitutional treaty would make effective an amendment that would permit to offer job to people in an European country with the salary rules of the country from which the workers come. In short, for example, you could give a job to a Polish plumber in France, and pay him with a Polish wage. So, of course, people feared. Fearing all these workers from Eastern Europe stealing jobs of French. But the outcome of this referendum wasn't only about that, far off.

It focused on Polish Plumbers because that was them 'no-ist' used to speak about, and I think it had also to do with the fact that the guy who defended his amendment against no-ist, Mr Bolkenstein (Bolkestein Frankestein, and so forth) complained about the fact that he had problems to find a plumber when he was in his home in France or that it had to wait too long (which was false, journalists tested and you can easily find one and without waiting too much). It came to speak about the Polish plumbers for this surely due to the fact that, yes, they were more present in that realm and searching some work, I've effectively seen several documents on Polish workers passing each week or each month to work in Western Europe and were just back in Poland during a few days. And in France they let a big flat in which they sleep at say 5-10 people. I've lived it myself, during a small while I was in a flat from public low-cost domain (what we call HLM), about 2 years ago, and during a while I could see a van with an Hungrian license plate of yes 7/8 people, coming back each evening in blue working clothes going in the twin building of mine, and as far as it seems, knowing the occupation of other flats, they all were in the same flat.

So, here is about the evil Polish plumbers. A poorly exploited image in both sens of the debate.

Amusingly Poland replicated by a touristic campaign about that, no more remind whether it was during or after the referendum, with this:





It says: I stay in Poland, come numerous.



They profited to make the nurses, so that everybody can be happy:



Saying: Poland: I'm waiting for you.



Oh and, I just discovered that some French played with it:



Saying: Yes to Polish nurse in France





Saying: Poland proposes you to meet its nurses: Professionalism, Estheticism, Devotion (and marriages if affinity)



Everyone will appreciate the taste according to his.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Pity about (the residual, never mind the historic) Anti-semitism.

A pretty common 'disease' in that part of the world, sadly. And at least active participation in the Holocaust was confined to a surprisingly small handful of atrocities... unlike the Ukraine or the Baltics... or...

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Pity about (the residual, never mind the historic) Anti-semitism.

A pretty common 'disease' in that part of the world, sadly. And at least active participation in the Holocaust was confined to a surprisingly small handful of atrocities... unlike the Ukraine or the Baltics... or...

Yes; this seems to be a favourite topic of yours....