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« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2009, 12:45:11 PM »


I know all of that, and it doesn't matter to me, as I'm not running as Hamilton's representative to the Mideast Assembly. I don't take any orders from him, and I wrote my own platform, with no input from him whatsoever.


Why do you bold his name?
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« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2009, 12:47:05 PM »


I know all of that, and it doesn't matter to me, as I'm not running as Hamilton's representative to the Mideast Assembly. I don't take any orders from him, and I wrote my own platform, with no input from him whatsoever.


Why do you bold his name?

I always bold usernames on the forums I frequent.
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« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2009, 12:51:32 PM »

That said, this party does favor smaller government as well, with the federal government deferring to the regions in most cases. We always have. Those who call us "big government" guys are just distorting the truth. Our entire purpose is to fight against expanding the government. That's why we were founded. But I do think we could have a working relationship in the future.

Except I don't believe it. I see precious little difference between a centrally-administered state of oppression and one in which power is concentrated directly in the local Regional capitals. Freedom is freedom, and oppression is oppression; and never the twain shall meet.

     I've been in Atlasia long enough to say that I strongly doubt that the forces of economic oppression can be overcome on the federal level. I'll be very happy if they can, though.

That's why the best strategy is to bypass government entirely, unless it can be used to create conditions favorably to the development of economic individualism. For instance: by making the State develop technologies like desktop manufacturing to their highest possible level, we'll be able to go around the corporate-industrial State and give economic power directly to individuals, thus encouraging individualism and economic self-sufficiency, which is really what I stand for politically.

      Which is indeed a good idea, though statist forces always enjoy making the private citizen's business their business. So it happens, why not deny them that & torpedo the government? I figured the way to go about it was a top-down devolution from federal to regional to individual, taking all possible opportunities to immediately devolve powers to the individual as they arise. Perhaps you can call it a difference in methods.
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« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2009, 12:54:04 PM »
« Edited: November 10, 2009, 12:55:39 PM by Einzige »

That said, this party does favor smaller government as well, with the federal government deferring to the regions in most cases. We always have. Those who call us "big government" guys are just distorting the truth. Our entire purpose is to fight against expanding the government. That's why we were founded. But I do think we could have a working relationship in the future.

Except I don't believe it. I see precious little difference between a centrally-administered state of oppression and one in which power is concentrated directly in the local Regional capitals. Freedom is freedom, and oppression is oppression; and never the twain shall meet.

     I've been in Atlasia long enough to say that I strongly doubt that the forces of economic oppression can be overcome on the federal level. I'll be very happy if they can, though.

That's why the best strategy is to bypass government entirely, unless it can be used to create conditions favorably to the development of economic individualism. For instance: by making the State develop technologies like desktop manufacturing to their highest possible level, we'll be able to go around the corporate-industrial State and give economic power directly to individuals, thus encouraging individualism and economic self-sufficiency, which is really what I stand for politically.

      Which is indeed a good idea, though statist forces always enjoy making the private citizen's business their business. So it happens, why not deny them that & torpedo the government? I figured the way to go about it was a top-down devolution from federal to regional to individual, taking all possible opportunities to immediately devolve powers to the individual as they arise. Perhaps you can call it a difference in methods.

Look at it this way: in real life, what is the bigger threat to centralized statism in America today? Is it the old conservative standby of states' rights? Or is it the Internet, developed under the auspices of statist Cold War paranoia and militarism and which now directly threatens to undo the conditions that led to its creation?

That's another reason I could never join the RPP: I reject one of its very core premises, that Regionalism = anti-statism. Most of those people want a bigger government in a small, Regional package.
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« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2009, 01:30:47 PM »

That said, this party does favor smaller government as well, with the federal government deferring to the regions in most cases. We always have. Those who call us "big government" guys are just distorting the truth. Our entire purpose is to fight against expanding the government. That's why we were founded. But I do think we could have a working relationship in the future.

Except I don't believe it. I see precious little difference between a centrally-administered state of oppression and one in which power is concentrated directly in the local Regional capitals. Freedom is freedom, and oppression is oppression; and never the twain shall meet.

     I've been in Atlasia long enough to say that I strongly doubt that the forces of economic oppression can be overcome on the federal level. I'll be very happy if they can, though.

That's why the best strategy is to bypass government entirely, unless it can be used to create conditions favorably to the development of economic individualism. For instance: by making the State develop technologies like desktop manufacturing to their highest possible level, we'll be able to go around the corporate-industrial State and give economic power directly to individuals, thus encouraging individualism and economic self-sufficiency, which is really what I stand for politically.

      Which is indeed a good idea, though statist forces always enjoy making the private citizen's business their business. So it happens, why not deny them that & torpedo the government? I figured the way to go about it was a top-down devolution from federal to regional to individual, taking all possible opportunities to immediately devolve powers to the individual as they arise. Perhaps you can call it a difference in methods.

Look at it this way: in real life, what is the bigger threat to centralized statism in America today? Is it the old conservative standby of states' rights? Or is it the Internet, developed under the auspices of statist Cold War paranoia and militarism and which now directly threatens to undo the conditions that led to its creation?

That's another reason I could never join the RPP: I reject one of its very core premises, that Regionalism = anti-statism. Most of those people want a bigger government in a small, Regional package.

     The freedom of information offered by the internet does work wonders. Just look at the strides towards social freedom that have been made in Atlasia. Yet, when I see what little has happened on the economic end of the spectrum, I am then inspired to attempt a somewhat more unorthodox strategy. Perhaps it is unneeded, though.
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« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2009, 01:34:42 PM »

I'm sure the PCP and the ARC could work together on many issues, but you need to stop downplaying us.
The RPP is not willing to work with a party run by Hamilton.  We are perfectly willing to work with all of you, just not under a crazy leader.  We aren't the DA that will make a ton of excuses for not working with people, we are fine to work with any of you of you form your own party and denounce Hamilton

Fine, the ARC will not work with you, plain and simple. If you don't want to, you don't have to. It's fine. We will support another party.
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« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2009, 01:46:01 PM »

I'm sure the PCP and the ARC could work together on many issues, but you need to stop downplaying us.

     Many of my partymates are afraid that the ARC is a Hamilton power trip, hence the negative reactions. I for one hope to work with you folks, though I will freely admit that I am not a fan of your party's founder.

Hamilton, while the founder of the party, is committed to allowing us all freedom to make our own decisions. He has admitted he isn't nearly as extreme a libertarian as, say, Einzige or Libertas. But nonetheless, he is a fan of small government.

     Which is alright. I genuinely like most of the ARC, so preferencing people like Mint high is easy, but I intend to watch what you folks do. Too bad you folks don't have any members in the Southeast. Undecided

We will have members in the Southeast before December. Don't worry.
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« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2009, 02:01:06 PM »
« Edited: November 10, 2009, 02:20:46 PM by Einzige »

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And not only that. How many people on the lower end of the economic spectrum are now able to live sufficiently owing to the power of the Internet? I know a very young couple who are expecting a child and are dirt-poor, and live by combing through valuables at yard sales and estate auctions and sell what they find on eBay, and are actually making enough to pay a pittance for rent and afford food. Their pride refuses to allow them to go on welfare, and yet they make do.

And we can do more to empower these citizens, and keep our small-government values not only intact, but actively championed. And we don't need the political Right to do it. But that means making a clean and clear break from both the Christian Democratic charlatans that infest both the real-life Republican Party and our own RPP and the corporatist shills who want to increase the size of the corporate-welfare State.

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To the contrary: more unorthodox strategies yet are needed. What we don't need are the old dogmas of the Right.
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« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2009, 02:19:00 PM »

Einzige, if you don't answer to Hamilton then why are you in his party?  Run as an independent if you are truly indepedent of him
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« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2009, 02:21:44 PM »

Einzige, if you don't answer to Hamilton then why are you in his party?  Run as an independent if you are truly indepedent of him

Why should I? I need a Party as a power base, and absolutely refuse to be in yours. Moreover, in comparison, the ARC is far more independent-minded from Hamilton than the RPP is from you.

I think you're terrified that a victory on my part will not only legitimize Hamilton, but validate my entire strategy of pulling libertarianism away from the Right.
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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2009, 02:22:19 PM »

Einzige, if you don't answer to Hamilton then why are you in his party?  Run as an independent if you are truly indepedent of him

And let you keep us all fragmented? I don't think so.
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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2009, 03:44:21 PM »

I've clearly drawn a line between my personality and my party. The members of my party understand that I am not their leader. Your party seems content with following your every word, however. Not out of agreement, but out of fear.
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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2009, 04:16:24 PM »
« Edited: November 10, 2009, 04:18:09 PM by Хahar »

So the question bugging me as a concerned citizen of the Mideast: What is your opinion of Jews? As a follow-up, why is there a swastika in your signature?

He's mocking theocracy in it. He isn't actually a Nazi; any decent libertarian knows that fascism is the exact polar opposite to our beliefs.

It's a shame it's not the case.

Einzige, if you don't answer to Hamilton then why are you in his party?  Run as an independent if you are truly indepedent of him

Weren't you just hailing the new partisan order?
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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2009, 04:18:51 PM »

So the question bugging me as a concerned citizen of the Mideast: What is your opinion of Jews? As a follow-up, why is there a swastika in your signature?

He's mocking theocracy in it. He isn't actually a Nazi; any decent libertarian knows that fascism is the exact polar opposite to our beliefs.

It's a shame it's not the case.

Einzige, if you don't answer to Hamilton then why are you in his party?  Run as an independent if you are truly indepedent of him

Weren't you just hailing the new partisan order?

Go away troll.
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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2009, 04:21:12 PM »

So the question bugging me as a concerned citizen of the Mideast: What is your opinion of Jews? As a follow-up, why is there a swastika in your signature?

He's mocking theocracy in it. He isn't actually a Nazi; any decent libertarian knows that fascism is the exact polar opposite to our beliefs.

It's a shame it's not the case.

Go away troll.

If you say that X is Y, it doesn't make X Y.
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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2009, 04:21:22 PM »

Now, now. I'm going to have to ask Xahar and Winston Disraeli to please keep their bickering out of Fantasy Politics. We should not jeopardize any common goals over petty disputes. As for the swastika, it's painfully obvious that Einzige is adamantly opposed to all forms of fascism but especially Nazism. He also supports the freedom from oppression of all persons regardless of any particular social class they may belong to.
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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2009, 04:22:41 PM »

Einzige, if you don't answer to Hamilton then why are you in his party?  Run as an independent if you are truly indepedent of him

Weren't you just hailing the new partisan order?
Running as an independent would get him the support of the RPP which is much more than his farce party
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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2009, 04:24:43 PM »

Einzige, if you don't answer to Hamilton then why are you in his party?  Run as an independent if you are truly indepedent of him

Weren't you just hailing the new partisan order?
Running as an independent would get him the support of the RPP which is much more than his farce party

Don't you get it? I don't want your support, because then I would be beholden to vote with you on social issues, which I absolutely will not do.
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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2009, 04:25:11 PM »

Now, now. I'm going to have to ask Xahar and Winston Disraeli to please keep their bickering out of Fantasy Politics. We should not jeopardize any common goals over petty disputes. As for the swastika, it's painfully obvious that Einzige is adamantly opposed to all forms of fascism but especially Nazism. He also supports the freedom from oppression of all persons regardless of any particular social class they may belong to.

I will, if he's stop willing to having a go at me for 5 minutes. He's the one who wants this bickering, not me.
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2009, 04:25:54 PM »

First of all, we disagree on one social issue, and second no one in the RPP is beholden to vote anyway on any issue.   If so, NCYank would have been tossed a long time ago
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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2009, 04:27:12 PM »

First of all, we disagree on one social issue, and second no one in the RPP is beholden to vote anyway on any issue.   If so, NCYank would have been tossed a long time ago

So you are willing to boot BBF and officepark from the race to support Einzige, if he joins your party? Please.
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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2009, 04:27:28 PM »

First of all, we disagree on one social issue

More evidence of your dictatorial aspirations - I wasn't referring to you, but your Party.
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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2009, 04:27:37 PM »

First of all, we disagree on one social issue, and second no one in the RPP is beholden to vote anyway on any issue.   If so, NCYank would have been tossed a long time ago

So you are willing to boot BBF and officepark from the race to support Einzige, if he joins your party? Please.
3 spots, 3 endorsements
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2009, 04:28:33 PM »

First of all, we disagree on one social issue, and second no one in the RPP is beholden to vote anyway on any issue.   If so, NCYank would have been tossed a long time ago

So you are willing to boot BBF and officepark from the race to support Einzige, if he joins your party? Please.
3 spots, 3 endorsements

That won't help him electorally. Besides, he has a great platform and a great base to utilize. Einzige is an independent mind who wants no part of your fascist leadership.
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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2009, 04:31:22 PM »

Hamilton the only one with "facist leadership" is yourself.  The RPP was formed by 3 people looking to give conservatives a voice.  We went out on a limb and gave a last ditch effort to try and save the game which worked.  Your party is simply you taking your zombies and other guillible people and trying to play nice to see if you make your way into the senate.  No one, except for minions, see anything else

Again, if DWTL, Marokai, Bgwah, Duke, PiT, NCYankee, and Hashemite agree, its probably right
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