ProCon October 2009 Convention in Indianapolis (Voting on Platform)

[tmthforu94]

To clarify, "Aye" is a vote to remove Hamilton. "Nay" is a vote to keep Hamilton.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

With Chairman Duke absent, and with many motions made, I hereby open up a vote on whether or not to vote Hamilton out of the party.

Voting will last 24 hours.

I abstain.

Also, aye on the party platform.

[Mechaman]

I called it (a month off on the expiration date, but stills)

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I called it (a month off on the expiration date, but stills)

OWNED!

[Alexander Hamilton]

Aye

[tmthforu94]

Aye
I think it would be better for Hamilton, as well as the ProCon, if he wasn't a party member.

[Devilman88]

Aye, I guess..

[Brandon H]

Motion to expel Hamilton using the Party Empowerment Act.

Second.

He refuses to accept the conditions which I laid, refuses to inform the party of secreat deals, cause he fears they will be shot down. If his behavior isn't stopped, then we as a party can't afford to be marred by him any longer.

Thirded.

Fourthed.

Fifthed

If you support this motion, I would suggest you simply go to the registration thread and register with another party.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Motion to expel Hamilton using the Party Empowerment Act.

Second.

He refuses to accept the conditions which I laid, refuses to inform the party of secreat deals, cause he fears they will be shot down. If his behavior isn't stopped, then we as a party can't afford to be marred by him any longer.

Thirded.

Fourthed.

Fifthed

If you support this motion, I would suggest you simply go to the registration thread and register with another party.

That would be too easy

[big bad fab]

With Chairman Duke absent, and with many motions made, I hereby open up a vote on whether or not to vote Hamilton out of the party.

Voting will last 24 hours.

AYE

[big bad fab]

With Chairman Duke absent, and with many motions made, I hereby open up a vote on whether or not to vote Hamilton out of the party.

Voting will last 24 hours.

AYE

Just to be clear: capital letters are here just because I vote like this, not because it's a BIG aye.

I have nothing against Hamilton personally.
All those who say that's just a game (almost everyone, including me....) should tolerate that, in a game, everything is possible.

Many bills are outrageous in Atlasia, because of their immorality, because of their stupidity, because of their silly proudness, because of their simple pointlessness.
And still, many of the same who give big moral judgements and condemn people like Hamilton are ready to vote for some pieces of s**t.
At least, Sewer Socialist is coherent !

There is a moderate, appeased, principled, efficient right in Atlasia. That's a pity it's harmed by wrong personal behaviours (DWTL, RowanBrandon and now Hamilton, even though in his case, this is how his behaviour is received, not really him, who is at stake) and by an utter leftist bias.

I'll end my term as Mideast assemblyman and then, I'll leave Atlasia, as I have already lost far too much time. RL is the important one...

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I'll end my term as Mideast assemblyman and then, I'll leave Atlasia, as I have already lost far too much time. RL is the important one...

  Aw that's really bad. You're a good poster, and I think it'll be a great loss to the Mideast and to your party.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Daniel Adams]

Aye

[tmthforu94]

Since Hamilton has left the party, I hereby cancel the vote on whether to remove him from the party.
And thus, the dramatic convention continues...

[Brandon H]

(Hope no one minds that I post this before finishing the platform vote. This was a bit more appropriate 24 hours ago.)

Let's be honest, things are not looking good right now. Am I talking about the economy or the state of our party? I am talking about both. And the two have more in common than you might imagine.

We often use numbers to measure things. When it comes to business and the economy, people want there numbers to be higher. The higher the number, the more successful the company or the industry. And the persons in charge are so concerned about having the appearance of being successful and, although they may not realize it, that is not the same thing as actually being successful. Sometimes, these numbers are driven up by dishonest means, while other times it's simply people trying to predict the future and making a bad guess. Ultimately these numbers go up with the belief that there are assets that are present that have value. This creates what is known as “the bubble” which we started hearing a lot about last year. When it is discovered that the actual assets do not have the value originally thought, the bubble bursts. Someone, not an Atlasian, labeled these “Troubled Assets”.

Likewise, we have been using numbers as one way to measure the success of our party. We went from around 25 members to 40 members in a short period of time. We looked to have a good chance of winning in the upcoming election. Much of that was the result of a new member who did some recruiting. In a short period of time he was already planning a bid for the Senate. He seemed to power hungry and thought he knew everything. But he brought in new members. And we put up with the other issues because he made our numbers go up. Right now it's too early to say, but with this member gone, some other members recruited by him may be leaving. If they came for the right reasons, they'll stay. If they came for the wrong reasons, then they'll probably be leaving. The bubble will burst. The number used to measure success will be lower, but it will be a more accurate reflection of where we truly are. If they are here for the right reasons, then they are a valuable asset to the party. And if they were here for the wrong reasons, then they are a “Troubled Asset”. Maybe we have several. Maybe we only had one Troubled Asset which we have already gotten rid of.

The bubble bursts. Numbers go down. No one likes it. It's discouraging. But it's necessary because it's the only way to correct the mistakes of the past and the only way to move forward and hope that we don't make the same mistakes again.

[Хahar 🤔]

Ah, nice dissembling. I can affirm that much of that happened before this party member joined.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah, nice dissembling. I can affirm that much of that happened before this party member joined.

Well your half right. It did begin before "this" member joined. And you ought to know cause it was begun at your behest.

[Хahar 🤔]

It's clear you know more about me than I do.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It's clear you know more about me than I do.

Lets not fight over four month old garbage. We now for sure you and Tmth were communicating at the time and I doubt all you talked about was the weather.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It's clear you know more about me than I do.

Lets not fight over four month old garbage. We now for sure you and Tmth were communicating at the time and I doubt all you talked about was the weather.

Why specify at the time? Did something change?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It's clear you know more about me than I do.

Lets not fight over four month old garbage. We now for sure you and Tmth were communicating at the time and I doubt all you talked about was the weather.

Why specify at the time? Did something change?

Yea he was still in limbo, unable to post and his main goal was to destroy Atlasia. His method was to pack the RPP full of people loyal to him via Tmth and have the party take over the game. It changed cause Tmth finally stopped taking orders from him and Xahar was allowed to post again soon after. His goal of destroying Atlasia had no support, so he gave it up. I may be leaving out a few details but thats the crux of it. You were recruited primarily to dilute Tmth's influence cause we didn't trust anyone he recruited.

[Alexander Hamilton]

It's clear you know more about me than I do.

Lets not fight over four month old garbage. We now for sure you and Tmth were communicating at the time and I doubt all you talked about was the weather.

Why specify at the time? Did something change?

Yea he was still in limbo, unable to post and his main goal was to destroy Atlasia. His method was to pack the RPP full of people loyal to him via Tmth and have the party take over the game. It changed cause Tmth finally stopped taking orders from him and Xahar was allowed to post again soon after. His goal of destroying Atlasia had no support, so he gave it up. I may be leaving out a few details but thats the crux of it. You were recruited primarily to dilute Tmth's influence cause we didn't trust anyone he recruited.

My point is that they still communicate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It's clear you know more about me than I do.

Lets not fight over four month old garbage. We now for sure you and Tmth were communicating at the time and I doubt all you talked about was the weather.

Why specify at the time? Did something change?

Yea he was still in limbo, unable to post and his main goal was to destroy Atlasia. His method was to pack the RPP full of people loyal to him via Tmth and have the party take over the game. It changed cause Tmth finally stopped taking orders from him and Xahar was allowed to post again soon after. His goal of destroying Atlasia had no support, so he gave it up. I may be leaving out a few details but thats the crux of it. You were recruited primarily to dilute Tmth's influence cause we didn't trust anyone he recruited.

My point is that they still communicate.

So do I at times. That was four months ago and thats an eternity here.

[Хahar 🤔]

It's clear you know more about me than I do.

Lets not fight over four month old garbage. We now for sure you and Tmth were communicating at the time and I doubt all you talked about was the weather.

Why specify at the time? Did something change?

Yea he was still in limbo, unable to post and his main goal was to destroy Atlasia. His method was to pack the RPP full of people loyal to him via Tmth and have the party take over the game. It changed cause Tmth finally stopped taking orders from him and Xahar was allowed to post again soon after. His goal of destroying Atlasia had no support, so he gave it up. I may be leaving out a few details but thats the crux of it. You were recruited primarily to dilute Tmth's influence cause we didn't trust anyone he recruited.

LOL?

My "plots" were simply bait. I mentioned to Lewis in about February that I had been deified by the Atlasian right, and I wanted to see how paranoid they were, so I concocted a few "plots" and blew them up, to hilarious results. But I don't know where you got the idea that I was trying to hijack the RPP. That was never on the table.