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« on: September 29, 2009, 02:20:35 AM »

That's a pretty vague question, so I'll leave it in order to give you room to maneuver. But if you didn't understand the question at all - what sequence of events, starting today, could cause the Republican Party to move to the left of the Democrats (on either social or economic issues, or both), or cause the Democrats to revert to being the rightist Party of southern agrarianism?

This can be a "partial repositioning" on either social or economic issues, or a full repositioning on both, at your discretion. Map out a sequence of events that leads to it.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 03:32:43 PM »

It won't happen anytime soon.  We need a lengthy period in which one party is dominant and the other is not and thus willing to make a significant change in what it stands for, rather than simply reupholstering and rearranging the old furniture on their platforms.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 04:23:21 PM »

If the Democrats work harder to be the true party of the people, like FDR or William Jennings Bryan.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 07:44:23 PM »

I predict the Democrats will go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Liberal.

And I predict the Republicans to go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 09:47:27 PM »

I predict the Democrats will go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Liberal.

And I predict the Republicans to go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative

Can't happen in the next few generations. The Rust Belt, Rockies, and South are all uber religious, even when they vary on economics.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 10:30:57 PM »

I predict the Democrats will go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Liberal.

And I predict the Republicans to go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative

Can't happen in the next few generations. The Rust Belt, Rockies, and South are all uber religious, even when they vary on economics.

Yeah; It's more of a long term idea, like in the 2080s or 2090s.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2009, 10:35:08 PM »

I predict the Democrats will go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Liberal.

And I predict the Republicans to go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative

Can't happen in the next few generations. The Rust Belt, Rockies, and South are all uber religious, even when they vary on economics.

Yeah; It's more of a long term idea, like in the 2080s or 2090s.

By then "liberal" will have a different meaning. One aprty will have to be socially conservative still.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 05:37:42 PM »

I predict the Democrats will go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Liberal.

And I predict the Republicans to go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative

Aren't Democrats already fiscally and socially liberal? I doubt both parties will become social liberals. There will always be social conservatives; it's the definition of conservative and liberal that change.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 05:51:50 PM »

I predict the Democrats will go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Liberal.

And I predict the Republicans to go Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative

Aren't Democrats already fiscally and socially liberal? I doubt both parties will become social liberals. There will always be social conservatives; it's the definition of conservative and liberal that change.

Well yes, Democrats are already socially liberal and fiscally liberal, but I'm predicting they will become even more fiscally liberal. I also think that they will absorb a lot of socially conservative Hispanic voters, and that will make their social views a bit more centrist.

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 10:30:47 PM »

Well then...what party is fiscally liberal and socially conservative? Democrats? No! Republicans? No!  WHO?
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 10:46:37 PM »

Well then...what party is fiscally liberal and socially conservative? Democrats? No! Republicans? No!  WHO?

Republicans.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 10:32:11 PM »

Well then...what party is fiscally liberal and socially conservative? Democrats? No! Republicans? No!  WHO?

Republicans.
Nah, majority of Republicans are fiscally/socially conserative or fiscally consersative & socially moderate.
My guess is statist/populist people are fiscally liberal and socially conservative.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 10:41:52 PM »

Well then...what party is fiscally liberal and socially conservative? Democrats? No! Republicans? No!  WHO?

Republicans.
Nah, majority of Republicans are fiscally/socially conserative or fiscally consersative & socially moderate.
My guess is statist/populist people are fiscally liberal and socially conservative.

Yeah, they're fiscally conservative, given that liberalism is the status quo.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2009, 07:07:26 AM »

Well then...what party is fiscally liberal and socially conservative? Democrats? No! Republicans? No!  WHO?

Republicans.

The way they spent under the Bush administration, you would think that... Up until the Obama administration started money, that is!

To answer the OP, it will happen when the Democratic and/or Republican coalitions find themselves disagreeing more than agreeing.  The Dems have an easier time of it, given that their constituencies mostly just want money thrown at them.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2009, 12:25:13 PM »

Well then...what party is fiscally liberal and socially conservative? Democrats? No! Republicans? No!  WHO?

Republicans.

The way they spent under the Bush administration, you would think that... Up until the Obama administration started money, that is!

What? The Republicans are certainly fiscally liberal. Don't you believe in free markets? If so, then you're one, too.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2009, 02:38:09 PM »
« Edited: October 04, 2009, 02:39:41 PM by phknrocket1k »

Social conservatism of non-whites.

It was after all the colored Obama supporters who were decisive in getting Prop 8 to pass.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2009, 10:06:26 PM »

Social conservatism of non-whites.

It was after all the colored Obama supporters who were decisive in getting Prop 8 to pass.

This plus Democratic efforts to reach out to "Reagan Democrats", blue collar workers with a populist bent. They would have to take it to the extreme, but under certain conditions I bet it could happen, though very unlikely.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2009, 05:21:33 PM »

I predict that in the future the Republicans will move more towards libertarianism in an attempt to win young and ethnic minority voters.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2009, 10:22:09 PM »

I predict that in the future the Republicans will move more towards libertarianism in an attempt to win young and ethnic minority voters.

I doubt it. In fact, I believe the Republicans move towards populism to win minority votes. The minorities of this nation are overwhelmingly populist in political bent.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 02:32:31 PM »
« Edited: November 03, 2009, 02:35:48 PM by rebeltarian »

Actually, out here in California, there's a lot of fiscally conservative minorities, particularly asian americans.  Hispanics are also getting more economically transient, but remain largely socially conservative.  Asians tend to vary on social views.

Republicans have talked for years about reaching out to minorites with social conservatism and 3rd-way economics and, for a while, figures like George W Bush and John McCain were able to make some inroads with hispanics.  Now, hispanics and most other minorities have backed Obama and the strict fiscal conservative tea-partiers and townhallers seem to be re-shaping/re-charging a "Republican base".  Republicans could probably win a lot of young minorities with a fiscally conservative, socially moderate/liberal platform, free of the nativism that has kept such diverse voters away in the past.   

 
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2009, 12:48:29 AM »

Nativism is as integral for the teabaggers as anything else.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2009, 09:01:55 PM »

"Teabaggers" range in that sort of thing.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2009, 04:38:56 PM »

Actually, out here in California, there's a lot of fiscally conservative minorities, particularly asian americans.  Hispanics are also getting more economically transient, but remain largely socially conservative.  Asians tend to vary on social views.

Republicans have talked for years about reaching out to minorites with social conservatism and 3rd-way economics and, for a while, figures like George W Bush and John McCain were able to make some inroads with hispanics.  Now, hispanics and most other minorities have backed Obama and the strict fiscal conservative tea-partiers and townhallers seem to be re-shaping/re-charging a "Republican base".  Republicans could probably win a lot of young minorities with a fiscally conservative, socially moderate/liberal platform, free of the nativism that has kept such diverse voters away in the past.   

 

Asking the teabag set to give up nativism is like asking snakes to give up carnivory.
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