Northeast Assembly Thread

[Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey]

Aye.

[cinyc]

Aye

[segwaystyle2012]

Aye

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Aye

[Free Palestine]

May I have everyone's attention?

I just received this bit of news:

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The Union has made three requests:

1. An executive order clarifying that Section 1 of the Practical Labor Policy Act will allow all standing contracts with UNEPSE to come to term before re-negotiation.

2. An assurance that Section 3 of the PLPA will be removed in amending legislation with the support of the governor.

3. A law that promotes standard wage increases over profit-sharing, through economic incentives for businesses to use the former or to not use the latter.

What is your take on this?  I can certainly provide for the first request, but it's up to you for the last two.

[Purple State]

And just letting you all know, for full disclosure, I will be acting as the "voice" of the union.

I hope that's okay with you all. I will try to be as honest and unbiased as possible in the portrayal of the situation.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I'm so happy we have regional governments and all the good they provide.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I'm so happy we have regional governments and all the good they provide.

We are in the middle of a vote here. Begone troll.

[segwaystyle2012]

I will oppose any attempts to amend the law and fully oppose any legislation supported by Stern and his cronies. I will be leading a coalition that will hope to persuade the governor to approve immediate contract renegotiation.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

As I haven;t receive and reply and due to Lt. Governor quick vote to move I hadn't a time to discuss that one deeper

Nay.

[cinyc]

Richard Stern can go pound sand.  I have no problem with 1, but will not be bullied by union thugs into amending laws. 

If his workers go on an illegal strike, we should just fire them all and replace them.   It's not like there aren't enough unemployed workers in the Northeast who would love to have a job right now.  They have a contract - and should live up to it.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Wait, what are we voting/discussing now? Union thing or self-defense thing?

[cinyc]

Wait, what are we voting/discussing now? Union thing or self-defense thing?

Voting on self-defense.  Discussing both.

[Free Palestine]

I will oppose any attempts to amend the law and fully oppose any legislation supported by Stern and his cronies. I will be leading a coalition that will hope to persuade the governor to approve immediate contract renegotiation.

I am up for contract renegotiation, if the legislature would prefer it.

[cinyc]

I will oppose any attempts to amend the law and fully oppose any legislation supported by Stern and his cronies. I will be leading a coalition that will hope to persuade the governor to approve immediate contract renegotiation.

I am up for contract renegotiation, if the legislature would prefer it.

We can't renegotiate anything unless the other side agrees.  A contract is a contract.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I will oppose any attempts to amend the law and fully oppose any legislation supported by Stern and his cronies. I will be leading a coalition that will hope to persuade the governor to approve immediate contract renegotiation.

I am up for contract renegotiation, if the legislature would prefer it.

We can't renegotiate anything unless the other side agrees.  A contract is a contract.

Until the Northeast Region, in all it's wisdom, decides they don't want it anymore. Shame the workers apparently don't have that cute luxury. Goddamn slimy union workers.

[cinyc]

I will oppose any attempts to amend the law and fully oppose any legislation supported by Stern and his cronies. I will be leading a coalition that will hope to persuade the governor to approve immediate contract renegotiation.

I am up for contract renegotiation, if the legislature would prefer it.

We can't renegotiate anything unless the other side agrees.  A contract is a contract.

Until the Northeast Region, in all it's wisdom, decides they don't want it anymore. Shame the workers apparently don't have that cute luxury. Goddamn slimy union workers.

I'm sorry if the Northeast isn't the socialist workers paradise you envision.    Pity we're taking a stand against public employee unions, whose lavish pay packages and benefits are out of line with the people who employ them - and bankrupting this region.

Nothing in the law says that the Northeast will break existing union contracts.  If the unions go on strike, they will be in breach, with all of the attendant consequences.

[Purple State]

Richard Stern can go pound sand.  I have no problem with 1, but will not be bullied by union thugs into amending laws. 

If his workers go on an illegal strike, we should just fire them all and replace them.   It's not like there aren't enough unemployed workers in the Northeast who would love to have a job right now.  They have a contract - and should live up to it.

I'm not sure if you really believe that the Northeast government can find enough replacement workers fast enough. *shrug*

[Badger]

Then why not just add "justifiable" somewhere in the bill such as:

The Northeast Region shall protect the right of any citizen to use lethal, justifiable force to protect his life, liberty, or property.

And whether or not force was "justifiable" is up for the courts to decide, on a case-by-case sort of basis.

Since I was just offering my two cents on the SE Assembly's proposed castle law.....

The intent behind this bill as amended is well-meaning, but as written it isn't workable due to being far, far too vague.

The idea behind such castle laws is to let property owners know exactly what their legal rights and responsibilities are, plus letting cops and courts effectively and consistently apply the law. Under this language I wouldn't have a clue what the law means, whether I was a property owner, a cop investigating a crime scene, a prosecutor reviewing the police report, a judge hearing the case, or a private lawyer trying to advise a client what it does and doesn't allow.

Yes, laws can sometimes be written too specifically and not allow enough flexibility, but this measure would essentially give every trial judge in the region total carte blanche to interpret what "justifiable" means, inevitably leading to wildly disparate application in the law.

It's one thing to let the courts iron out the nuances in interpreting a law's language, but it's wholly another to simply let the courts create the law outright. And the latter is exactly what will be necessary here.

My two cents....

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

The intent behind this bill as amended is well-meaning, but as written it isn't workable due to being far, far too vague.

Which is why I voted, no.  I agree with the principle, duh.

[The Age Wave]

Nayayayay

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The intent behind this bill as amended is well-meaning, but as written it isn't workable due to being far, far too vague.

Which is why I voted, no.  I agree with the principle, duh.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

By a vote of 4-2, the Self Defense Act PASSES.

[segwaystyle2012]

I may not be on much these next few days. I apologize in advance for any inconvenience caused.

[Free Palestine]

Now please, see if you can irk out some kind of compromise on the Union demands.  I have provided for their first grievance, and now it's up to you for the rest, no matter what you decide to do.  I am up for anything that would make life less painful for everyone.  Marokai, even if we may disagree, I thank you for your input.