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« Reply #2100 on: March 19, 2010, 01:54:25 PM »

Hey Badger, you're a member of NE Assembly?
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« Reply #2101 on: March 19, 2010, 01:57:51 PM »

Hey Badger, you're a member of NE Assembly?

Badger and all other citizens of the Northeast - and Atlasia in general - are welcome to provide feedback on this thread.
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« Reply #2102 on: March 19, 2010, 02:05:23 PM »

Hey Badger, you're a member of NE Assembly?

Badger and all other citizens of the Northeast - and Atlasia in general - are welcome to provide feedback on this thread.

You, know cinyc, how can I harass my good friend and Pittsburgher of the diaspora, Badger, if you take this kind of attitude.  Tongue
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« Reply #2103 on: March 19, 2010, 03:04:41 PM »

Does Rep. segwaystyle seek to speak on behalf of the bill on the floor?

No.
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« Reply #2104 on: March 19, 2010, 03:27:55 PM »

Other than to say I'm opposed to the bill,  I have no meaningful thing to add in debate.
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« Reply #2105 on: March 19, 2010, 03:29:47 PM »

Other than to say I'm opposed to the bill,  I have no meaningful thing to add in debate.

Why
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« Reply #2106 on: March 19, 2010, 03:37:48 PM »

Other than to say I'm opposed to the bill,  I have no meaningful thing to add in debate.

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The right exists......what "protection" are you suggesting is needed.
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« Reply #2107 on: March 19, 2010, 03:40:02 PM »

Other than to say I'm opposed to the bill,  I have no meaningful thing to add in debate.

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The right exists......what "protection" are you suggesting is needed.

This legislation affirms our legal right to protect ourselves, our families, and our belongings. It ensures that the legal system will consider self-defense circumstances when relevant.
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« Reply #2108 on: March 19, 2010, 03:41:45 PM »

Other than to say I'm opposed to the bill,  I have no meaningful thing to add in debate.

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The right exists......what "protection" are you suggesting is needed.

This legislation affirms our legal right to protect ourselves, our families, and our belongings. It ensures that the legal system will consider self-defense circumstances when relevant.

I don't think your bill says that at all, and as a general rule, in real life and in the game, I'm opposed to motions that {re}affirm something.
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« Reply #2109 on: March 19, 2010, 03:42:39 PM »
« Edited: March 19, 2010, 03:46:02 PM by another nostalgic daydream in the meantime »

Other than to say I'm opposed to the bill,  I have no meaningful thing to add in debate.

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The right exists......what "protection" are you suggesting is needed.

This legislation affirms our legal right to protect ourselves, our families, and our belongings. It ensures that the legal system will consider self-defense circumstances when relevant.

I don't think your bill says that at all, and as a general rule, in real life and in the game, I'm opposed to motions that {re}affirm something.

This isn't affirmed anywhere in NE law. If it is, excuse my ignorance. I've found nothing.
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« Reply #2110 on: March 19, 2010, 03:45:54 PM »

Can I kill someone I catch stealing my paperclips here at work?

Or better, can my employer kill me if I try to sneak a few of those paperclips into my pocket tonight on the way home?
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« Reply #2111 on: March 19, 2010, 03:47:08 PM »

Can I kill someone I catch stealing my paperclips here at work?

Or better, can my employer kill me if I try to sneak a few of those paperclips into my pocket tonight on the way home?

I'm not certain you grasp the intent of this proposal.
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« Reply #2112 on: March 19, 2010, 04:03:47 PM »

Hey Badger, you're a member of NE Assembly?

Badger and all other citizens of the Northeast - and Atlasia in general - are welcome to provide feedback on this thread.

You, know cinyc, how can I harass my good friend and Pittsburgher of the diaspora, Badger, if you take this kind of attitude.  Tongue

Yeah cinyc! How dare you stick up for me when Grumpy gives me s$%t? Tongue
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« Reply #2113 on: March 19, 2010, 04:10:35 PM »

BTW: Since I'm on a role sticking my nose in to other region's assembly business:

IMHO this bill needs some common sense limitations regarding use of deadly force vs. ordinary force and protection of property vs., say, protection of one's home from intruders.

As self-defense stems largely from common law, it wouldn't surprise me there is no statute specifically codifying the right in the NE's laws, but that by no means is to say the right doesn't exist under NE law.

Codifiying self-defense of property may not be a bad idea, but as currently proposed it does leave open the kind of undesirable scenarios Mr. M noted.

My two cents.
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« Reply #2114 on: March 19, 2010, 04:34:40 PM »

I agree that it might be sensible to mention something about justifiable use of deadly force, for defense of property.
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« Reply #2115 on: March 19, 2010, 04:35:55 PM »

I agree that it might be sensible to mention something about justifiable use of deadly force, for defense of property.

Thank you for your input Governor. I will confer with other Representatives.
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« Reply #2116 on: March 19, 2010, 04:41:48 PM »

I'm not against self-defense, which is something natural. All I want to put there, is very unclear language of the bill.

Thanks in advantage.
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« Reply #2117 on: March 19, 2010, 04:42:46 PM »

I'm not against self-defense, which is something natural. All I want to put there, is very unclear language of the bill.

Thanks in advantage.

Do you have any suggestions? Smiley
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« Reply #2118 on: March 20, 2010, 02:05:48 PM »

Then why not just add "justifiable" somewhere in the bill such as:

The Northeast Region shall protect the right of any citizen to use lethal, justifiable force to protect his life, liberty, or property.
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« Reply #2119 on: March 20, 2010, 03:20:33 PM »

Then why not just add "justifiable" somewhere in the bill such as:

The Northeast Region shall protect the right of any citizen to use lethal, justifiable force to protect his life, liberty, or property.


I'd support that amendment
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« Reply #2120 on: March 20, 2010, 04:54:40 PM »

Then why not just add "justifiable" somewhere in the bill such as:

The Northeast Region shall protect the right of any citizen to use lethal, justifiable force to protect his life, liberty, or property.


And whether or not force was "justifiable" is up for the courts to decide, on a case-by-case sort of basis.
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« Reply #2121 on: March 20, 2010, 05:05:26 PM »

Accepted as friendly.
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« Reply #2122 on: March 20, 2010, 06:04:18 PM »

Then I'd support that. Of course use of unjustifiable force will be illegal?
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« Reply #2123 on: March 20, 2010, 06:23:51 PM »

Alright, with the amendment deemed friendly, going to open up the amended bill for a vote now:



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Voting on this bill will continue until at least 7:30PM Eastern on Monday, March 22, 2010, or until all Representatives have voted.
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« Reply #2124 on: March 20, 2010, 07:36:52 PM »

Nay
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