Northeast Assembly Thread

[Barnes]

The Ayes are one, the Nays are Six. With a majority of Representatives voting in the Negative, the Resolution has failed. 

[cinyc]

So the revised bill should read as follows (new langage in purple:

Veto Override Amendment

Whereas the New Constitution of the Northeast does not contain procedural language regarding the override of a Governor's veto, therefore be it resolved that the New Constitution of the Northeast be amended.


Article IV, Section xi is hereby amended as follows:

xi) The Governor has veto power over any piece of legislation that the Northeast Assembly shall successfully vote in favour of. The Governor may not have the power to only veto parts as opposed to the whole of any legislation. If the General Assembly of the Northeast Region is to have another successful vote on any piece of legislation previously vetoed, than the Governor must not veto it. The Governor is required to sign all pieces of legislation he supports into law after it passes a successful vote in the Legislative Assembly, and must veto legislation which he does not support, within one week of its passing. Once he or she has signed the legislation, it immediately becomes law unless otherwise stated in the legislation itself. If the Governor does not sign the successful legislation after one week, than it becomes law immediately.

Article V is hereby amended by insertion as new Section xv:

xv) The Assembly shall have the power to override the Governor's veto.  If the Assembly passes legislation previously vetoed by the Governor by more than a two-thirds majority vote, it becomes law without the Governor's signature.

Sponsor: Rep. cinyc

The Question is shall the Bill be considered?

The Ayes have it.

The Sponsor, Representative ciync, has the floor.

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[Antonio the Sixth]

Ok, that's fine with me.

[Dr. Cynic]

Looks good here.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Would that mean a 4–2 override vote would go to the Lt. Governor for tie breaking?

[fezzyfestoon]

Would that mean a 4–2 override vote would go to the Lt. Governor for tie breaking?

That actually sounds like a good idea, intentional or not.  I definitely don't think 4 votes is enough for an override though.  So with 4 the Lt. Governor deciding sounds good to me.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Okay.  It may be redundant, but redundancy is okay, IMHO, to avoid confusion: Can we add a line to the amendment stating that override votes of exactly two-thirds (like that 4-2 situation) will be decided by the Lt. Governor?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Okay.  It may be redundant, but redundancy is okay, IMHO, to avoid confusion: Can we add a line to the amendment stating that override votes of exactly two-thirds (like that 4-2 situation) will be decided by the Lt. Governor?

Seconded. Just add that a vote of exactly two thirds in favor shall be considered as a tie.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Would that mean a 4–2 override vote would go to the Lt. Governor for tie breaking?

That actually sounds like a good idea, intentional or not.  I definitely don't think 4 votes is enough for an override though.  So with 4 the Lt. Governor deciding sounds good to me.

Yep, this was a good idea.

[cinyc]

Would that mean a 4–2 override vote would go to the Lt. Governor for tie breaking?

I don't think the Lt. Governor should have any role in overrides, to be honest.  He's a member of the executive branch that vetoed the bill in the first place.

Should we put that proposal to a vote?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I hold to the statute of tie of a 4-2 situtation.

Should we put that proposal to a vote?

If necessary, yes.

[Dr. Cynic]

I think we should vote on it now that we've got a solid plan.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Bump.

[Dr. Cynic]

Bump.

I think we'd all like to see voting open as quickly as possible.

[Barnes]

Well, are we going to vote on the Amendment to the Bill, or is friendly? Either way, I need to see it typed up in an actual form to insert in to the bill.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I propose this amendment:

Article V is hereby amended by insertion as new Section xv:

xv) The Assembly shall have the power to override the Governor's veto.  If the Assembly passes legislation previously vetoed by the Governor by more than a two-thirds majority vote, it becomes law without the Governor's signature. An override vote resulting in an exactly two-thirds majority shall be considered a tie for this purpose, to be broken by vote of the Lieutenant Governor.

[cinyc]

I'll take Hamilton's amendment as friendly.  The full bill as amended (with the newer additions in purple):

Veto Override Amendment

Whereas the New Constitution of the Northeast does not contain procedural language regarding the override of a Governor's veto, therefore be it resolved that the New Constitution of the Northeast be amended.


Article IV, Section xi is hereby amended as follows:

xi) The Governor has veto power over any piece of legislation that the Northeast Assembly shall successfully vote in favour of. The Governor may not have the power to only veto parts as opposed to the whole of any legislation. If the General Assembly of the Northeast Region is to have another successful vote on any piece of legislation previously vetoed, than the Governor must not veto it. The Governor is required to sign all pieces of legislation he supports into law after it passes a successful vote in the Legislative Assembly, and must veto legislation which he does not support, within one week of its passing. Once he or she has signed the legislation, it immediately becomes law unless otherwise stated in the legislation itself. If the Governor does not sign the successful legislation after one week, than it becomes law immediately.

Article V is hereby amended by insertion as new Section xv:

xv) The Assembly shall have the power to override the Governor's veto.  If the Assembly passes legislation previously vetoed by the Governor by more than a two-thirds majority vote, it becomes law without the Governor's signature.  An override vote resulting in an exactly two-thirds majority shall be considered a tie for this purpose, to be broken by vote of the Lieutenant Governor.
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I think this is ready to proceed to a final vote.

[Barnes]

I open a final vote on this Bill. Voting lasts twenty-four hours. Vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

Veto Override Amendment

Whereas the New Constitution of the Northeast does not contain procedural language regarding the override of a Governor's veto, therefore be it resolved that the New Constitution of the Northeast be amended.


Article IV, Section xi is hereby amended as follows:

xi) The Governor has veto power over any piece of legislation that the Northeast Assembly shall successfully vote in favour of. The Governor may not have the power to only veto parts as opposed to the whole of any legislation. The Governor is required to sign all pieces of legislation he supports into law after it passes a successful vote in the Legislative Assembly within one week of its passing. Once he or she has signed the legislation, it immediately becomes law unless otherwise stated in the legislation itself. If the Governor does not sign the successful legislation after one week, than it becomes law immediately.

Article V is hereby amended by insertion as new Section xv:

xv) The Assembly shall have the power to override the Governor's veto.  If the Assembly passes legislation previously vetoed by the Governor by more than a two-thirds majority vote, it becomes law without the Governor's signature.  An override vote resulting in an exactly two-thirds majority shall be considered a tie for this purpose, to be broken by vote of the Lieutenant Governor.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Aye

[Dr. Cynic]

Aye

[Antonio the Sixth]

Aye

[cinyc]

Aye

[Smid]

Aye.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Aye.

[fezzyfestoon]

Aye