Colombian Assistance and Stability Bill (Law'd)

[Bacon King]

Colombian Assistance and Stability Bill

1. The Republic of Atlasia is deeply concerned about the current situation in Colombia, and wished to provide monetary and military aid, in compliance with our responsibilities through the Global Treaty Organzation.

2. Atlasia offers $250 million to be distributed at the discretion of the Department of External Affairs in order to maintain stability.
Spon: Sen. Hashemite

[Alexander Hamilton]

I oppose this bill very strongly. Do any of us remember how we got so entrenched in Vietnam?

[afleitch]

I oppose the use of military intervention in this instance. I call for the deletion of Section 2 before I even consider the rest.

[Rowan]

We can send money, but I'm a little weary about sending troops.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We can send money, but I'm a little weary about sending troops.

In real life our Soldiers are training and operating in Colombia to fight the Drug Cartels and FARC.

[Alexander Hamilton]

We can send money, but I'm a little weary about sending troops.

In real life our Soldiers are training and operating in Colombia to fight the Drug Cartels and FARC.

Ooh, I bet that's REAL successful.

[tmthforu94]

Just like others above stated, I support sending them money, but am extremely hesitant at sending troops over there. It'll be interesting to hear both sides on that one. I probably wouldn't support this in its current state.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We can send money, but I'm a little weary about sending troops.

In real life our Soldiers are training and operating in Colombia to fight the Drug Cartels and FARC.

Ooh, I bet that's REAL successful.

Actually it has been

http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/03/colombia_at_the_tipping_point

[Bacon King]

I call for the deletion of Section 2 before I even consider the rest.

Is this an amendment being offered?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

This legislation has my full support.

[Alexander Hamilton]

 After the destruction of both the Cali and Medellin cartels, the cocaine business began to fragment. Younger lieutenants realized that the large organizations had been more vulnerable to attack by US and Colombian authorities. They formed smaller, more controllable groups and began compartmentalizing their responsibilities. One group simply smuggles the drugs from Colombia to Mexico. Another group controls the jungle labs. Yet another deals with transportation of coca base from the fields to the labs. There are well known links between the Colombian Marxists guerilla groups and the cocaine trade. Guerillas protect the fields and the labs in remote zones of Colombia in exchange for a large tax that the traffickers pay to the organization. In turn, the Colombian right wing paramilitary groups are also thought to control both fields, labs and some of the smuggling routes. This situation has been disastrous for Colombia - both sides in an on-going civil war are able to reap huge profits from the drug industry which are then turned into guns for further fighting.

The DEA and the Colombian National police believe there are more than 300 active drug smuggling organizations in Colombia today. Cocaine is shipped to every industrialized nation in the world and profits remain incredibly high.

[afleitch]

I call for the deletion of Section 2 before I even consider the rest.

Is this an amendment being offered?

Formally, yes

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

After the destruction of both the Cali and Medellin cartels, the cocaine business began to fragment. Younger lieutenants realized that the large organizations had been more vulnerable to attack by US and Colombian authorities. They formed smaller, more controllable groups and began compartmentalizing their responsibilities. One group simply smuggles the drugs from Colombia to Mexico. Another group controls the jungle labs. Yet another deals with transportation of coca base from the fields to the labs. There are well known links between the Colombian Marxists guerilla groups and the cocaine trade. Guerillas protect the fields and the labs in remote zones of Colombia in exchange for a large tax that the traffickers pay to the organization. In turn, the Colombian right wing paramilitary groups are also thought to control both fields, labs and some of the smuggling routes. This situation has been disastrous for Colombia - both sides in an on-going civil war are able to reap huge profits from the drug industry which are then turned into guns for further fighting.

The DEA and the Colombian National police believe there are more than 300 active drug smuggling organizations in Colombia today. Cocaine is shipped to every industrialized nation in the world and profits remain incredibly high.

Its important to look at the trend lines though and significant improvements have been made on that. Colombia deserves 90% of the credit especially President Uribe, my favorite South American President. But the US aide in RL was in very important as well, though. 

[Marokai Backbeat]

I'm afraid the pacifist in me must oppose any direct military intervention.

[Hash]

I re-introduced this legislation just because I feel this is an issue that the Senate must address in some way or another.

I am staunchly opposed to Section 2 and I support an amendment to remove it.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I re-introduced this legislation just because I feel this is an issue that the Senate must address in some way or another.

I am staunchly opposed to Section 2 and I support an amendment to remove it.

You should've removed Section 2 before introduction.

[Hash]

I re-introduced this legislation just because I feel this is an issue that the Senate must address in some way or another.

I am staunchly opposed to Section 2 and I support an amendment to remove it.

You should've removed Section 2 before introduction.

We can't change the past. I would accept, ftr, as this legislation's de-facto sponsor, an amendment striking S2 as friendly unless there are Senators who wish to have a vote on that.

[Purple State]

There will be a story on Colombia-Venezuela tomorrow. I'm not sure if it will change opinions or not, but it is worth seeing, I think, before moving on the bill.

And no, it's not all out war.

[Bacon King]

I re-introduced this legislation just because I feel this is an issue that the Senate must address in some way or another.

I am staunchly opposed to Section 2 and I support an amendment to remove it.

You should've removed Section 2 before introduction.

We can't change the past. I would accept, ftr, as this legislation's de-facto sponsor, an amendment striking S2 as friendly unless there are Senators who wish to have a vote on that.

Note that an amendment doesn't need to be explicitly offered as friendly, you can simply accept afleitch's amendment as such now, if you wish. And if anyone prefers to vote on it they can just challenge its friendly status.

[Vepres]

There will be a story on Colombia-Venezuela tomorrow. I'm not sure if it will change opinions or not, but it is worth seeing, I think, before moving on the bill.

And no, it's not all out war.

What are we gonna do with all those B-52s, they deserve to have fun too

[Hash]

I accept afleitch's amendment as friendly.

[Bacon King]

I accept afleitch's amendment as friendly.

So noted. Senators have 24 hours to challenge this.

[Franzl]

I also oppose Section 2. I introduced the bill originally on behalf of the SOEA to be debated.

[Bacon King]

I accept afleitch's amendment as friendly.

So noted. Senators have 24 hours to challenge this.

The bill has been amended.

[Bacon King]

This bill has been on the floor for over 72 hours and there has been no debate for over 24 hours now. I can open a final vote as soon as a Senator calls for it.