20th Century History Makers Survivor- organization & results- GANDHI Winner !

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'll take Adenauer as revenge for Rabin. Hahahahaha.

[minionofmidas]

And, eventually, the big 3-way tie in group IV, with Nehru, Weizmann and Adenauer with 3 votes.
And... a new tie after applying my tie-breaking rule !
So, I am obliged to decide...
And my criteria of personal influence leads me to eliminate.... Adenauer
Yes, I reluctantly think that, without Adenauer, West Germany would have followed quite a similar path, whereas India without a Nehru, full of weaknesses, may well have seen a more troubled state-childhood.

I would disagree... except that it's Nehru we're comparing with. And that's one of the rather few people compared to whom even Adenauer was "irrelevant" in the rule's sense.

As to Makhno, keeping him alive was fun while it lasted, but I've been wholly satisfied with my success at that for four or five rounds now.

[big bad fab]

I've just taken the time to look in the previous rounds and my "dictatorial tie-breaking rule" has led me to eliminate:

Joe McCarthy over JF Dulles
Hassan Al-Banna over Reagan
Adenauer over Nehru.

OMG, so horrible to write this last one again... all the more that Konrad would have made it easily to stage 3 with this special rule...

[minionofmidas]

Other two were much easier choices.

[big bad fab]

Stage 2 is now over, but you'll have to wait until tomorrow (CET) to have photos of the 4 history makers eliminated in the last round of stage 2 and to have the 2 groups of stage 3, because, for now, I'm going to sleep !

Good night, good evening and good afternoon to you all !

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 50

This special rule was quite funny and suspenseful. I'll see if I can introduce it again at the end of stage 3.

For the moment, one history maker left us without having received any vote before... Cordell Hull !
Aung San and Weizmann are less surprising. Tomas Masaryk a bit more.

Group I: Cordell Hull

"I despise this forum and I show it".

Group II: Tomas Masaryk

"He's still here and I'm out ! Outrageous !"

Group III: Aung San Suu Kyi

2 years old, with parents and elder brothers, other times...

Group IV: Weizmann

With Faisal in 1918, other times...

As for the biggest non-eliminated vote-getters:

Kreisky 10.67
Rosa Luxemburg 10

Mario Soares 6.67
Lloyd George 6.67

FDR 4
Sakharov 3.67
Zapata 3.67
Walesa 3
Nehru 2.67
Monnet 2.33
Marshall 2
Gorbachev 2
Abd el-Krim 1.67
Felipe Gonzalez 1.33
Nagy 1.33
Mandela 1
Hammarskjöld 1
René Cassin 1
Spaak 0.67
Corazon Aquino 0.33
Stimson 0.33

And with no vote at all:
Einstein, Arias, Attlee, Schuman, MLK, Gandhi, Dubcek, Jan Masaryk, Cardenas, Orwell, Palach, Palme, Pearson, Brandt, Havel, Mossadegh, Rathenau, Jaurès, Mendès-France.

Of course, you may say that there is a big bias in this survivor... see how the left ones are spread among countries:
France 5 !

Czechoslovakia 4
USA 4
Germany 4

UK 3

USSR 2
Sweden 2
India 2
Mexico 2

Austria, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Costa Rica, Morocco, South Africa, Iran, Philippines, Belgium, Hungary, Canada 1

But, well, you've ousted so many Anglo-Saxons...

[big bad fab]

An answer to Gully's question.

In stage 3, it's simple: 20 history makers in each group.
We will oust 10 in each group.
With some special rules of course (but, sorry, no new one...).

The 2*10 remaining history makers will be merged in one final group.

And you may protest against the way I spread the 2 groups, but you're not welcome !!!
It was uneasy...
Each group has 5 names from each of stage 2's groups. Each group has a balanced number of East, West and Third World leaders. Each group has a balanced number of names from each decade. Etc...
So, if you're not happy, you know my answer...

Enjoy this stage !

[big bad fab]

The current round will last a bit more than 24 hours, because I inted, as in each opening of a new stage, to PM some former regular voters, apart from our 10 "loyal" ones.

[big bad fab]

Oh, and you can vote in the new "India's Prime Ministers Survivor" in the International Discussion Board

(and in Al's own and fine Labour leaders survivor ).

[Tetro Kornbluth]

You might want to recount your vote tallies. I distinctly remember giving Spaak a full vote once. I think I'm a bit sad that I can remember that.

[big bad fab]

You might want to recount your vote tallies. I distinctly remember giving Spaak a full vote once. I think I'm a bit sad that I can remember that.

No, it was a vote but in a special round, where each vote only counted for a third of a point...
That's why you've got all those .67 and .33 ...

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 51

Already a tie in group Alpha, but a rather peaceful round.
A better turnout but for how long ?

Group Alpha: Kreisky 5 (10.67 in previous rounds), Stimson 5 (0.33 in previous rounds), Rosa Luxemburg 1, Einstein 1, Gandhi 1

He finished bearded in his face and in his policy, sort of...

Group Omega: Gonzalez 7, Sakharov 2, Orwell 1, Havel 1, Mandela 1, Abd el-Krim 1

Olé, toro ! (European and ETA toros)

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 52

A "classical" round, with 2 clear winners (the seconds of the previous round), 2 "challengers" and 4 small ones.

Group Alpha: Stimson 5, Rosa Luxemburg 3, Einstein 1, Gandhi 1

A war full of headaches.

Group Omega: Sakharov 6, Orwell 2, Mandela 1, Monnet 1

A life full of headaches.

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 53

Small but quite clear victories for Rosa and Paul-Henri. An odd couple for our round 53 !

As always with this "split" rule, some new names appear.
Here, Corazon Aquino and even more Jean Monnet appear to be threatened now.

And, well our turnout is back to a very low level...
Come and vote, everyone !

And don't forget to vote in my India's prime ministers survivor (in International General Discussion thread) !

Group Alpha: Rosa Luxemburg 3, Aquino 1.5, Soares 1, Lloyd George 1, Einstein 0.5, Schuman 0.5, Palach 0.5, Gorbachev 0.5, Arias 0.5

Fortunately, not exactly a Guevara woman !

Group Omega: Spaak 4, Monnet 2.5, Orwell 1, Cassin 1, Walesa 0.5

Fortunately, not exactly the real "father" of Europe !

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 54

Another great outrage... RENE CASSIN ?!? Well, what's the problem with him ?!?
Monnet, I would have understood, but Cassin ?!?
Even de Gaulle could be justified. But Cassin ?!?
I'm really interested in the reasons of those who voted for him.... I really do not understand.
All the more with Nehru, Monnet, Orwell, Mossadegh, Cardenas or almost anyone else in this group...

Monnet and Nehru weren't far away but, still, there wasn't any tie.

In the other group, a less disputed fight, wonquite easily by Ian Palach.

Group Alpha: Palach 6, Aquino 3, Soares 2, Nagy 1

Burnt out.

Group Omega: Cassin 5, Monnet 4, Nehru 3

Written off.

[minionofmidas]

Comparatively near-total irrelevance?

[big bad fab]

Comparatively near-total irrelevance?

I don't like the childish distinction between FF and HP that is everywhere in this forum, but, in the case of Cassin, yeah, he was a FF.

But you may be right: he isn't very known (he was discrete indeed, a GREAT quality nowadays...)  and some may have voted for him, just because they didn't want Nehru or Monnet to go.
Well, that's a pity...

[minionofmidas]

No, because people like that (and also Monnet, Einstein, Palach, Jan Masaryk, Hammarskjöld, Zapata, and yea, Orwell) in the last stage would be a definite case of Forum Fail. It is high time we get the non history makers off now.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, because people like that (and also Monnet, Einstein, Palach, Jan Masaryk, Hammarskjöld, Zapata, and yea, Orwell) in the last stage would be a definite case of Forum Fail. It is high time we get the non history makers off now.

Basically, yeah. I mean, I won't vote Orwell off because I'm such a cliché, but won't object if others do now.

[minionofmidas]

No, because people like that (and also Monnet, Einstein, Palach, Jan Masaryk, Hammarskjöld, Zapata, and yea, Orwell) in the last stage would be a definite case of Forum Fail. It is high time we get the non history makers off now.

Basically, yeah. I mean, I won't vote Orwell off because I'm such a cliché, but won't object if others do now.

Same with me and Zapata.

Well, at least not as long as any of the others is on. And a few more people I haven't even mentioned there. But there will be a point where I'll vote against Zapata.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

No, because people like that (and also Monnet, Einstein, Palach, Jan Masaryk, Hammarskjöld, Zapata, and yea, Orwell) in the last stage would be a definite case of Forum Fail. It is high time we get the non history makers off now.

Hmmm... No. The others, yes. But Einstein not a "history maker". Whatever.

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 55

Clear victors here: Jan Masaryk, Orwell and Monnet. And one minor one: Cory Aquino, who gathered less votes than the first non-eliminated in the other group, Nehru.

And all the other "second-rate" ousted-in-waiting: Soares, Lloyd George, Walesa, with Nagy and Pearson seeming to receive a renewed interest.

Group Alpha: Jan Masaryk 8, Corazon Aquino 4, Soares 3, Nagy 3, Lloyd George 2, Zapata 2, Marshall 2, Einstein 1, Hammarskjöld 1

The man who finished in the... red.

The lady in yellow.

Group Omega: Orwell 8, Monnet 8, Nehru 5, Pearson 3, Walesa 1, Rathenau 1

A present in the red, a future in the black.

The man in blue and yellow.

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 56

No real contest this round: Nehru and Hammarskjöld received 7 votes each and were duly eliminated.

Havel surged as a surprising new possible contender for ousting.

Group Alpha: Hammarskjöld 7, Lloyd George 3, Einstein 1, Nagy 1

Sunny.

Group Omega: Nehru 7, Havel 4, Rathenau 1

Smoky.

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 57

First a big (and odd !) fight between Zapata and Schuman, and then, when FDR and then Abd el-Krim were threatened, Havel surged again...

A very chaotic (and so pleasing) round, resulting in two ties: Zapata-Schuman and Havel-Roosevelt.

And now, let's imagine what would have happened, had Edu been able to vote !
(a bit sad he couldn't ).

Group Alpha: Zapata 4 (5.67 in previous rounds), Schuman 4 (0.5 in previous rounds)

Fully equipped to fire back at this forum...

Group Omega: Havel 4 (5 in previous rounds), FDR 4 (4 in previous rounds), Abd el-Krim 3, Pearson 1

It was high time to oust the Communist leaders...

[Edu]

I got home late last night and i was pretty tired so i went straight to bed

The bad news is that even if i had been here, i would only be able to save Zapata or Havel, not both

I would have saved Havel by the way.