20th Century History Makers Survivor- organization & results- GANDHI Winner !

[minionofmidas]

Some historical figures may be not perfect but were REALLY big ones.

Like Joe Stalin?

[big bad fab]

Some historical figures may be not perfect but were REALLY big ones.

Like Joe Stalin?

No, like Ike or de Gaulle. They really DID something, even if with some mistakes.

And, for example, French decolonization was done by de Gaulle (and Mendès-France a bit), not by Mollet or Mitterrand or even MRP guys... (or Pinay of course)

[big bad fab]

Sorry for the delay, guys, I'm busy this week-end. You can vote until tomorrow...

But, don't worry, our Survivor is not at all suspended !

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 36

Well, after Elie Wiesel, Hannah Arendt is out and Antonio Gramsci is still here... My Godness !

PiT wasted his vote but must regret nothing, since Dayan has been ousted clearly and wouldn't have been beaten by any other history maker.

Hash keeps voting for Trudeau and may be right: one day, in a tie, he will be out !

I stop doing comments as I'm not sure they are read very often and as I'm a bit uninspired recently.

Group I: Kekkonen 5, de Gaulle 3, Massoud 1


Group II: Arendt 4, Gramsci 3, Indira Gandhi 3, de Klerk 1


Group III: Mohammed V 6, Makhno 3, Trudeau 1


Group IV: Dayan 5, de Gasperi 2, Karamanlis 1, Solzhenitsyn 1, (Keynes/invalid vote 1)

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 37

"Classic" results in round 37.

Group I: Sukarno 5, de Gaulle 3, Massoud 1

"What are you thinking about ?!"

Group II: De Klerk 8, Gramsci 2

A colourful White from South Africa...

Group III: Nkomo 6, Makhno 3

Beware of little men at your side.

Group IV: Karamanlis 8, de Gasperi 1, Solzhenitsyn 1

Old country, old leader.

[Edu]

Glad the comments are back, i always enjoyed them

[big bad fab]

Glad the comments are back, i always enjoyed them

Thanks.

BTW, a small ad for those of you who aren't aware of this:

I've started a survivor on modern Korean leaders in International General Discussion board.
Simple (in its time limits and in its names) but it had to be done !
And, well, I hope this will make some ad for this 20th century survivor...

[minionofmidas]

I wasn't aware that Korean politics (North or South) could be used as an advertisement for politics, but there you go.

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 38

To be honest, I was about to stop this survivor, because ousting de Gaulle so early is really outrageous. Sure, this is a game, but keeping hypocrite and fake RFK, weird Cabral, dull and inefficient Annan, still autocratic Cardenas, not-so-democratic Senghor and many other leaders who weren't big history MAKERS....
Well, I didn't think de Gaulle could win, of course. But he was so personally honest. He foresaw the future in 1940 in such a way. He began to reform France just after the war. He made peace with the Communists (not the socialists and the radicals). He let Africa go (not the socialists and the radicals). He let Algeria go as soon as he can (not the socialists and the radicals). Etc, etc, etc.
And when you think about ONE man changing things in history, well, he is one of them.

If Gramsci had stayed, I think I would have really stopped.
With this very tiny "hope", I keep on.

As for immunities, there were ties between Ike, Erhard and Zapata, but Ike is the biggest vote-getter. And between Cabral and Cardenas, but Cabral is a bigger vote-getter.

Group I: de Gaulle 3, RFK 2, Kofi Annan 2, Cabral 1

Les membres de ce forum sont des veaux !

Group II: Gramsci 4, Indira Gandhi 3, Armstrong 1

Only his hair seemed to be free on/in this mind...

Group III: Montgomery 4, Makhno 3, Trudeau 1

The Americans should have arrested him for good...

Group IV: Solzhenitsyn 5, Lumumba 1, Lévesque 1, Dalai Lama 1

History's irony.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

My De Gaulle antipathy has alot to do with his arrogance and the methods of his coming to power. Plus he was in the 'best' pool (read what Lewis said).

[big bad fab]

No, don't say that, there are still many "middle" ones in this group.
For example, I voted Kofi Annan, because he is dull an dhe should have gone before.

Oh well, that's a game...

[minionofmidas]

No, don't say that, there are still many "middle" ones in this group.
For example, I voted Kofi Annan, because he is dull an dhe should have gone before.

Oh well, that's a game...

Personally, I find votes against Patrice Lumumba offensive.

[big bad fab]

No, don't say that, there are still many "middle" ones in this group.
For example, I voted Kofi Annan, because he is dull an dhe should have gone before.

Oh well, that's a game...

Personally, I find votes against Patrice Lumumba offensive.

Beyond the iconic bias and the personal tragedy, he couldn't have been a successful leader in any way and signs of authoritarianism were already there.

Oh, and there is also the fact that I first thought that this survivor should have been about personal influence in history, or potential one. Hence the fact that I didn't vote for Beria, that I vote very lately for Lin Biao, that I wouldn't have voted for Churchill,...
I think Lumumba, had he survived, wouldn't have been a great leader. Another Kenyatta or Nyerere.

[Hans-im-Glück]

I think Lumumba, had he survived, wouldn't have been a great leader. Another Kenyatta or Nyerere.

I think this too, but he died before he could become another Kenyatta and I don't think that all the leaders of the Independence in Africa had a chance to make it really better. 

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 39

A "classic" round, with clear "victories" from Indira and RFK. And small margin in a widespread voting landscape for Ebert and a tie won by Lumumba over Lévesque.
Canadians of all kinds are threatened now, it seems...

Group I: RFK 5, Rosa Luxemburg 1, Kofi Annan 1, Mackenzie King 1, Collins 1, Suarez 1

All bears aren't so kind, Bobby...

Group II: Indira Gandhi 7, Mitterrand 2, Lloyd George 1

Legendary Indian humility...

Group III: Ebert 4, Trudeau 3, FDR 1, Kreisky 1, Berlinguer 1

Former Junker turned old conservative German president... Oh wait...

Group IV: Lumumba 4 (4.5 in previous rounds), Lévesque 4 (2 in previous rounds), Dalai Lama 1, Mandela 1

Transition of power à la congolaise

[big bad fab]

Lewis, you were right, my Korean Survivor isn't a big advertisement for this survivor...

Glad to see BRTD back.
Hopefully, Kalwejt will be back soon.
A pity Xahar and officepark don't vote any longer.

Thanks to all the regular voters !

I have a question for you all.
I've planned a special rule: you cast one vote BUT you must vote for a history maker different from preceding poster.
Are you OK with this one ?
I prefer to ask, because it might be controversial and some series of "usual" rules may be fine too...
Of course, with this rule, I have a slight advantage because I open the vote. But, sometimes, PiT or Hans-im-Glück or Gully Foyle are just here and manage to vote even before me !
So, if it's the problem for you, I can promise not to vote the first.

[Hans-im-Glück]

I have a question for you all.
I've planned a special rule: you cast one vote BUT you must vote for a history maker different from preceding poster.
Are you OK with this one ?
I prefer to ask, because it might be controversial and some series of "usual" rules may be fine too...
Of course, with this rule, I have a slight advantage because I open the vote. But, sometimes, PiT or Hans-im-Glück or Gully Foyle are just here and manage to vote even before me !
So, if it's the problem for you, I can promise not to vote the first.

I've no problem with this rule.

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 40

A very peaceful round, with clear "victories" in any group, except in group III, where Trudeau just prevailed over Makhno.
A great victory for Hashemite, after a long fight !

But maybe a Pyrrhic victory as Lévesque has also been ousted...

In round 41, you won't be able to vote for the same history maker as the preceding poster. Of course, you can vote for the same history makers as any other poster.
It will force us to wait a bit (but not too long...) or to switch to another name or even to vote strategically for someone we don't want to oust...
I'm not sure about the real results of this rule... We'll see !

And, as I realized that it's not really a big advantage to open the vote, as the next voter can't vote for the same names as myself, I'll open it if nobody votes early.
We need to start anyway...

Group I: Kofi Annan 4, Cabral 1, Massoud 1, Mackenzie King 1, Menzies 1

"Oh WTF, I'd better let all this unchanged..."

Group II: Mitterrand 6, Nujoma 1, Venizelos 1

Mitterrand dealing with his political opponents.


And eventually we've got "an old president for a stalled France".

Group III: Trudeau 4, Makhno 3, Briand 1

Great Canadian leader.


Great American leader. Oh wait...

Group IV: Lévesque 5, Dalai Lama 2, de Gasperi 1

Images from the Front Révolutionnaire de Libération de la France d'Amérique (FréLiFrA)

[Hash]

Group II: Mitterrand 6, Nujoma 1, Venizelos 1

And eventually we've got "an old president for a stalled France".

YES!!

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YES!!

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No . Meh, too bad.

[KuntaKinte]

Am I allowed to join the game?

[Hans-im-Glück]

Everybody in the forum can join the game.

[big bad fab]

Everybody in the forum can join the game.

Yes !
And as I'm "busy" (family, food, wines, gardening,...) this week-end, you've got more hours to vote !

[big bad fab]

RESULTS OF ROUND 41

A bit of a chaotic round with this new special rule, that eventually hasn't changed things much, I think.
Even with 2 invalid votes, Berlinguer is out in group III.
And the invalidated vote for Fraser wouldn't have changed things, since Dalai Lama would have won the tie.
At least, this special rule has made some new names to appear.

Nhoj, don't worry, your votes are good since everyone can edit his vote during 10 minutes.

Welcome back to BRTD and (maybe) Xahar.
Welcome to Kuntakite !

Our turnout is more decent with 11-12 voters...

Group I: Cabral 4, Senghor 3, Walesa 2, Mackenzie King 1, Suarez 1

Beware of your "friends" ! Amilcar and Hannibals...

Group II: Venizelos 5, Armstrong 4, Nujoma 1, Rabin 1

Greece's old democracy and old democrats.

Group III: Berlinguer 4, Makhno 3, Kreisky 2, Briand 1, invalid votes 2 (Berlinguer)

LOL. The Time has always been in red, you know...

Group IV: Dalai Lama 4, Fraser 3, de Gasperi 2, Hammarskjöld 1, Genscher 1, invalid vote 1 (Fraser)

Coming soon to a theater near you.

[big bad fab]

The biggest non-eliminated vote-getters so far (Nestor Makhno is the new "big one" ):

Group I:
Allende 9.5 / Menzies 6.5 / Massoud 3 / Senghor 3 / Mackenzie King 3 / Rosa Luxemburg 3 / Suarez 2 / Walesa 2 / Michael Collins 1.33 / Gorbachev 1 / Spaak 0.33

Group II:
Armstrong 6.67 / Lloyd George 6 / Eisenhower 4 / Nujoma 2 / Zapata 2 / Erhard 1.5 / Rabin 1 / Stresemann 1 / Abd El-Krim 0.67 / Aquino 0.33

Group III:
Makhno 19 / Kreisky 4.67 / Briand 2 / Sankara 1.33 / FDR 1

Group IV:
de Gasperi 8.33 / Fraser 4.5 / McMillan 1.67 / Gagarin 1.33 / Soares 1 / Hammarskjöld 1 / Genscher 1 / Landsbergis 1 / Mandela 1 / Adenauer 0.67 / Stimson 0.33

[big bad fab]

Nota Bene: for those among you who are also committed in Atlasia, don't worry about my today statement in Atlasia.
Even if I leave Atlasia soon, I won't leave this forum and won't leave the survivors !!

Some other survivors will begin soon, BTW